Labour MP Jess Phillips being attacked on Twitter for her reasonable approach to gender bill

Plus this about WEP's treatment of Heather Brunskell-Evans www.thetimes.co.uk/article/feminist-accused-of-promoting-prejudice-kwjz9nvcc?shareToken=d5a64dc0fda657a51f02fa3dd6454981 and even the Guardian are in on it today! www.theguardian.com/society/commentisfree/2017/nov/19/bullies-everywhere-take-delight-in-coming-up-with-new-insults

Look at this idiot who was attacking Jess

twitter.com/shadowmending/status/931741555890769920

Really good to see The Times and The Sunday Times addressing this; they're still the voice of middle-class, centre-right England, and it's bound to have an effect on people's views.

Thank you Empress.

It seems The Times is the only paper taking this issue seriously. I am a subscriber and have just sent an email saying thank you

I'm pretty sure I've said this before but if people do subscribe to The Times because of their gender-critical journalism, the more of us who tell them that the better!

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/are-you-transphobic-no-me-neither-were-just-worried-about-our-children-kfp6csn0z?shareToken=9567580e1a5416ee51373a499591e074

Also www.thetimes.co.uk/article/wrong-gender-feelings-could-be-teen-anxiety-bpr7jr3wd?shareToken=df8114f5fa7e649ed3140ce5c2912146

There’s a trans related opinion piece by Rod Liddle linked at the foot of the prisons piece. Is anyone able/willing to share token it & post the link here?

Should send Owen Jones that link though I doubt it'll have any effect. Great work though.

Thank goodness for The Times, I've never been a fan but am seriously considering subscribing based on their recent coverage of the issues. And well done to FairPlayForWomen for their excellent research and effort to reach a wider audience.

I was just about to post that article.

It’s unbelievable that women, working behind the scenes, have had to compile this information.

Fairplayforwomen, who are instrumental in all this, certainly have my gratitude. They had to analyse all the prison inspection reports in England and Wales to extract the information for themselves. Because, despite Maria Miller being told this would happen, she either doesn’t give a toss, or is dangerously naive.

And yes, morningrunner, I agree. About bloody time. The government are just about to legislate largely for a fetish.

fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-prisoners

Gin, if he wants to actually discuss the effects of so called "puberty blockers" with someone whose actually taken that medication, I'm happy to fill him in on how destructive it has been to my body and life as an adult, let alone to a pre-pubescent child. Feeling suicidal in your teens or potentially feeling suicidal and having your health destroyed for the rest of your life are basically the options. Having been on it I'd never give it to my children unless they developed one of the cancers for which it's quite an effective treatment, but I'm fairly sure those don't appear until adulthood since they're hormone receptive.

LOOK AT THIS. The link gets you past the paywall. Feel free to share.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/up-to-half-of-trans-inmates-may-be-sex-offenders-26rz2crhs?shareToken=c8a34dea3c57d7c0c9ca4696b07cfc49

FrustratedTeddyLamp

It’s not so much whether they personally would consider them as a sexual partner, it’s whether they think any straight man would consider them as a sexual partner.

And of course, there are two sides to this argument. But one is blatantly telling demonstrable lies. Lies that can be refuted at the click of a button.

I asked, he said ‘Well, if that is what would make the difference between them committing suicide as a teenager, then yes’ He has repeatedly told me the suicide rates in trans people, which is tragically awful. I repeated the mantra, feminists don’t hate or oppress trans people. We want to keep our rights.

Ask him if he thinks trans children should be sterilised.

But I don't see people here abusing transpeople. Or saying they should die. Or failing to engage with the argument. Or being intransigent.

In fact I think a lot of people here have come reluctantly to this position when they might have more naturally have sat happily in a liberal way of thinking about transpeople had they not felt backed into a corner by evermore ridiculous demands.

So no. I don't think it is the same.

Powhatan??? What I find *

But it’s not that simple is it? Not every straight man thinks every straight woman is a viable sexual partner and vice versa. It seems obvious some group has organised the twitter thing as some protest or it could be a couple people using bots. Powhatan I find intriguing Is that the essentially calling those “ on the other side “ dumb or telling people what to think is exactly the same as those on MN, it’s exactly the same thing. I’m not saying either is right or wrong I just think it’s some kind of lack of self awareness when both think that each side is doing it.

Must not be nice for her and others. I’ve been hounded on twitter before and it’s horrible.

Well of course, women’s opinions are stupid, irrelevant and at worse bigoted. But men are superior, women do know your place.

So what we've learned is that women are expected to think trans women are women but men are allowed to think trans women are men.

He said no, then prattled on and changed subject. He isn’t a knuckle dragging arsehole but he definitely bought into the stonewall trans cult like thinking. I think I have definitely won this one, thankyou.

Unless he is fully prepared to give a woman a blow job then he's a bigoted transphobe.