Owen Jones

Has he taken Jess Phillips to task yet for her terfy transphobic comments.

He's getting a bit dull and predictable, isn't he?
Oh dear, Little Owen, oh dear.

He is portraying himself as bravely speaking out against the the tide, not acknowledging that he is actually endorsing the dominant narrative that women are threatened for questioning. As Meghan Murphy tweeted: 'Oooh he's so brave, you guys! It takes real guts to support the only position men have deemed acceptable, under threat of violence.'

Does Owen actually have a job? Is he permanently employed by the Guardian?

Jones has been on Twitter complaining that people are trying to get him sacked for his views. I don't know if that's true or not, but I notice he's never spoken out the transactivists trying to get women like Helen Lewis and Janice Turner sacked. Funny that.

Class is still such a potent/poisonous issue in Britain.

Sll I’ve seen on twitter recently is right on men attacking women snd telljng thrm how to behave, how to think, what boundaries they are allowed.

Have the no insight, no self awareness of their hypocritical arrogance concering women- women who don’t agree with them, who don’t obey them?

I’m so truly angry and disgusted with them. They’re all over Owen patting each other on the back for how fabulous and woke (hate that fucking word) they are. Also all over Jess Phillips attacking, telling her off, all over the WEP account demanding they chastise the woman who spoke on the Moral Maze. Janice Turner, Helen Lewis, Julie Bindel and many more.

@tiptopteepe twitter

I like Owen Jones a lot and agree with a lot of things he says. I do agree with some of the things he says about trans rights and education about trans issues however im shocked to hear about his attitudes regarding lesbians and trans women. Has anyone got any sources i could read for where he is talking about this?

I'll just leave this here.
(Thanks to Private Eye)

It's incredible, isn't it collidascope

For every right-on gay male trans ally shouting about "Transwomen ARE women - NO DEBATE" -how many of them are actually having sex with trans men? Because they should be, right?

They're not.

And we know why.

The new GRA also has implications that will be very bad for trans people too. But hey, how many lefty men give a shit about any other trans people apart from the ones in their heads?

The current conversation is mostly about proposed changes to the GRA and NOT about trans people's status generally

This.

I believe live & let live. Most transsexuals just want to get on quietly with their lives. But the GRA has implications which will be very bad for girls & women.

The belief based nature of it is what bothers me. I can't think of any other belief based group who have the power to insist everyone agrees with them.

He's so disingenuous about women generally, but in particular about trans issues, and today is no exception.

He's blathering on about "cis" women overwhelmingly agreeing with him vis a vis trans stuff. But he always elides the actual truth:

*The current conversation is mostly about proposed changes to the GRA and NOT about trans people's status generally.

*YouGov's recent polling indicates 37% of women oppose the proposed changes, 31% support them, and 32% don't know (I think we can safely assume that, presented with the details, a great many of that 32% would transfer into the oppose category). The "cis" women agreeing with him are the ones in his echo chamber.

*Most so-called TERFs wouldn't know a single tenet of radical feminism if it got up and slapped them in the face with a wet fish. They're just normal women who don't mindlessly repeat ideological dogma for the ally cookies.

*Most so-called transphobes have no problem with transsexuals, especially those who are post-SRS. Women are objecting to Gender Identity Theory, a religious belief of dualism, and not individuals. And they are objecting to it because it destroys their protections if legislated for.

Why are we contemplating compelled obedience to a religious belief? That's what I want to know.

mobile.twitter.com/owenjones84/status/572771475360501761

I can't understand the mental gymnastics OJ must do to come out with stuff like this. So trans women are women, end of, and trans men are men, end of. Yet somehow he equates being asked to perform cunnilingus on a trans man as being asked to go straight. For fuck's sake. The cognitive dissonance is mind-blowing.

Another brilliant article by Jeni Harvey! Thanks, stitch

Dear men on the left, I’m going to tell you something and you’re not going to like it. When it comes to rank misogyny, you are often no better than men on the right. Your claim to feminism cannot be made reconcilable with your attacks on women with whom you disagree, and neither is your claim to a belief in fairness and equality compatible with ripping up our hard won rights.

You are no better when you tell us we have no right to an opinion on what the word woman means. You are no better when you call us names known to incite threats of rape and violence, because we do not understand gender in the way you would wish us to. And you are no better when you refuse to listen to, empathise with, or try to understand our point of view.

What a twit he is. Loathesome little toad.

Yep. It's interesting how many of these men (and a few women) have stuff on their timeline about listening to and believing women, supporting MeToo etc. Until trans is mentioned and then they are dismissed and silenced. I said on another thread that much of this is just an excuse for men to abuse women in a politically correct, approved way. Owen Jones is currently arguing with the author of that article on twitter btw.

From the article stitch linked to:

Yet nowhere is the misogyny of the left more apparent than in the current conflict around transgender issues. It is here that men most like to congregate, hiding behind a claim to advocate fairness and equality, aggressively signalling their no cost virtue. Risking nothing in terms of power or rights, they sit easily atop their high horses, shouting down at those of us with everything to lose, insulting us if we do not acquiesce to their view.

Thanks stitch - that article by Jeni Harvey is great.

The one good thing about all this trans business is that it shows up some left-wing men for what they really. Men who you might previously have assumed were sympathetic to feminism turn out to be straight-up-and-down misogynists. Owen Jones is one. James O'Brien is another. How dare a woman feel frightened of being in a changing room next to a man? What a wicked transphobe she must be!

At least we know where we stand. The battle lines are clear.

gosh

Not one mention of the work women do to make this happen. Very good gay friends of mine are using a surrogate and are expecting twins shortly. If they wrote the woman out of their story like this I would not be able to be friends with them. I am fully in support of all families having equal value - I have donor conceived children myself. But I couldn't write a piece about it without referencing the man who made it all possible.

The woman who wrote the great open letter to Topshop has written another amazing piece to leftie men like Owen Jones.

medium.com/@GappyTales/dear-men-on-the-left-f20fbf6272cf

Didn't he manage to write an entire article about IVF without mentioning women once? Just focused on gay men conveniently completely ignoring the class of people who would need to be surrogates. Women are an irrelevance to him so he is perturbed when they have a voice and disagree with him. Misogynistic twat.

The Diary of Little Owen Jones, aged 33 and 1/4.

Spent today fending off attacks from nasty women. Why do women hate me so much? Why can't they agree with me, like Mummy does? Paris (I love Paris, she always agrees with me), says it's because they are CIS and TERFs, and they can't woman properly like she does

This is very good. So true!