Owen Jones

He’s one of the reasons why I left the Labour Party. I wonder if they know/care about how badly he reflects on the party.

Jones's schtick on Twitter is simply to repeat, over and over again, that the fight for trans rights is equivalent to the fight for gay rights, and that therefore anyone who opposes trans rights is a bigot. It's a way of avoiding having to think, I suppose - like repeating "Transwomen are women".

I do wonder if he can really be as stupid as he seems.

Alistair's face. He should have kicked him out.

The odious little twat.

yes indeed. Odious little twat.

Best LOJ tweet I’ve seen in ages -

Haha! Today's Observer article is unintentionally-hilarious with its poke at OJ!

Seriously though, I bet he's a pain in the arse at the Guardian offices! I can see him now, mansplaining to the women, strutting about like he's God's gift.

Anyone following WomensRightsMatters? @matterrights

Sensible questions strangely silent with no answers from the Translobby. Wonderful in all the trudge through the twitterbollocks. And directly calling our Owen out occasionally.

There's a horrible inevitability to the last few months of Sundays...

Aaaaaaaand it's now all kicked off on twitter again about todays articles.

And Empress in case anyone is in doubt at the concerted bullying that goes on on Twitter, I can just say here that I'm into my 3rd day of responses to my politely worded request not to be labelled 'cis' tweeted as a reply to LOJ's thread about "transphobic" feminists.

I think the most mild response was to repeatedly call me a "bigot" and to tell me that "cis" meant 'simply' that I'm not trans. THere's is NOTHING simple about cis.

I've muted most of them, which makes for a more relaxed experience of Twitter & I can get back to the fun stuff.

The 2 main things I've noticed:

1. the transcultists don't really do reasoned argument
2. they are singularly acking in wit, or even a decent sense of humour

My head exploded when I read that. So, by his own definition transwomen are women (#NoDebate and all that). So he is at the very least bisexual, with strong hetero tendencies. He has sex with women

Yes exactly!

He's a hypocrite who doesn't really in practice act as though transwomen are women. He knows they are men with penises.

Yes exactly!

It is so fucked up you couldn't make it up.

He IS gay. But the point is he is bleating about transwomen being women. Which would make him Bi if he sleeps with them...by his own definition

My head exploded when I read that. So, by his own definition transwomen are women (#NoDebate and all that). So he is at the very least bisexual, with strong hetero tendencies. He has sex with women.

Except he's not, because I doubt that at the moment of getting down to it with a transwoman, I doubt he thinks "ooo lovely, a female penis".

He's a hypocrite who doesn't really in practice act as though transwomen are women. He knows they are men with penises.

In today's Guardian...

www.theguardian.com/society/commentisfree/2017/nov/19/bullies-everywhere-take-delight-in-coming-up-with-new-insults

How long before Owen Jones does a Johann Hari? Not too long I hope.

In repeatedly restating the (non) statistics regarding suicide rates of trans-identified people, I'm pretty sure that Jones is breaking the press code. Suicide does not have a single cause and it is disingenuous and dangerous to say that anyone died by suicide because of X. Furthermore, I think that this will create a self-fulfilling prophesy for some children.

I work with young people. The context for being an adolescent is now so bizarre for so many children that I'm pretty sure that at least half of all the children with whom I work have contemplated suicide, sadly, and that's nothing to do with their perceived gender identity.

I'm looking forward to some kind of Leveson over this and Owen Jones will absolutely have questions to answer.

Transwomen are men so if he sleeps with them he’s gay

He IS gay. But the point is he is bleating about transwomen being women. Which would make him Bi if he sleeps with them...by his own definition.

Transwomen are men so if he sleeps with them he’s gay.

I’m sure you’re right, LangCleg. But it also seems to be a deliberate tactic of TRAs, ie they will accuse feminists of aggression, violence, closing down debate - all the stuff they do themselves.

@hackmum

When a narcissist makes an accusation, it is always actually an admission. Owen is a narcissist, so he accuses other people of trying to get him sacked when they're doing no such thing BECAUSE not IN SPITE OF the fact that he and his pals have really tried to get all sorts of people sacked.

Narcissist accusation = narcissist admission. Every. Single. Time.

Yes Gin.

To LOJ, transwomen are actual women so lesbians are shitty awful people if they don't suck they're cocks, but trans men are women, so, because he's gay, he doesn't have to perform oral sex on them because it's the age old thing of trying to make gay men straight.

So, either he doesn't believe that trans women are actual women, or he doesn't logic, or he thinks trans women are more specialer than trans men. It's impossible to ask him any of this either because he has a massive mantrum and blocks anyone who dares.

He also lies about having ever said it, but sadly there's loads of screen shots of it.

Going back to an earlier kerfuffle with the BoyWonder (tm) re his disgust at the suggestion of oral sex with a transman ... So is a Lady Penis acceptable as a concept but a Gentleman Vulva not ? Just want to clarify my poor befuddled head .

I'm not sure whether Owen Jones is on staff at the Guardian or writes his column on a freelance basis. (His Guardian profile just says: Owen Jones is a columnist and the author of Chavs: The Demonisation of the Working Class and The Establishment – And How They Get Away With It).

Backing: it's fascinating, isn't it? "Transwomen are women" is a completely ludicrous slogan, seemingly designed to shut down thought. It reminds me of "Four legs good, two legs bad" or "War is Peace; Freedom is Slavery; Ignorance is Strength".

Have you seen the Jess Phillips thread on twitter? Hundreds of automatons (possibly literally) chanting Transwomen are Women. Quite unnerving.