I don't want to be a TERF

No you may be right doctor
I meant that a girl who may well actually be a lesbian will be encouraged to transition these days.

I don't feel all trans people want to systematically kill all lesbians but there are a disturbing amount of comments online by trans people about wanting lesbians to be raped and murdered.

It's the ideaology too though. If I, as a female, wear short hair, trousers, flannel shirts, I'm told I'm a transman or agender.
If I say the only things I believe make me female are xx chromosomes, primary and secondary female sexual characteristics and menstruation/pregnancy I'm told I'm wrong, and that I must 'just know' I'm a woman, which I don't.
I find it quite unsettling.

All the role models I had as a child - viking sheildmaidens, joan of arc etc - I'm told they were men. This isn't randoms online - this is professional training on 'lgbt' issues.

I think it's quite hard to buy into all beliefs promoted in these kinds of trainings.

t doesn't help having a right-on teenager yelling 'Breitbart!' at me every time I voice my concerns.

Mine gives me the face

I'm not convinced that the OP is posting from a position of goodwill.

I'm in the same boat as you, OP.

It doesn't help having a right-on teenager yelling 'Breitbart!' at me every time I voice my concerns.

Sigh.

I cannot believe it's true that Trans people want to eradicate gay people.
I havent seen that claim made.

However, right wing Christians in the USA and Iran both use transitioning to deal with their feelings towards gay people. In Iran, gays and lesbians are told to transition or face the death penalty.
I cant support that, or sterilising gay kids. I also can't support the rights of one group removing the rights of other oppressed groups.

These are not unreasonable beliefs.

My DS wanted a pink phone and my DMIL said he might want to transition when he's older. It infuriated me.

Did that really happen, OP? Honestly?

Its because it's all about appearances and alliances, (marches, tshirts) rather than the truth. The truth doesn't fit into the narrative you have of yourself as a 'right thinking person'

I'm kind of insulted that you have essentially said most people on these boards are the same as Trump. Did you mean to be so rude

It is OK to think for yourself. It is OK to reject groupthink. People are individuals. That includes you. You are allowed to have varied and nuanced opinions. You don't have to believe everything your mates believe.

I feel like I could never say any of this in public.

I really don't want to start a bun fight.

Maybe all that campaigning experience could go into standing up for people, saying they should be allowed to state their considered opinions without being insulted and shut down.

“It puts me in the same camp as Trump FFS.”

Like vegetarians are in the same camp with Hitler?

Even a broken clock is correct twice a day.

Yes, there are not two camps. There’s a society full of people working out how to live together.

Part of the problem is thinking there are two 'camps' when there are a number of issues being lumped in together and people (even feminist people) have varying opinions on any or all of the issues. It's not an either/or question.

I am not in the same camp as Trump, my opinions on gender and the rights of trans people are very different from his.

Anyone who is a champion of minority rights is eventually not going to acclaim and admiration for it, because it involves defending people (in this case women) when many people don’t want those rights to be defended.

To be a champion of rights comes at a personal cost. And that’s tough, which is why people keep quiet.

the same camp a as Trump
Not based on what you’ve written by a long way.
You are allowed to be critical and your post reads to me like you are afraid to have an opinion.
I don’t think you can be ‘pro’ trans anyway
I also think that in the future we will look back on what’s happening now with horror.
The problem with the trans movement is that the endgame is to eradicate being gay and I can’t be ok with that.

I'm afraid I'm not going to be able to persuade you otherwise but I just wanted to say I sympathise - I started off arguing with many of the posters when these threads first appeared. I thought they were mean, bigoted, etc.

I hope you manage to find away to be comfortable with your views - whether that's by changing the views or by reconciling yourself with them. I think a lot of us have felt this and understand.