CPR

If men say they are being reasonable by letting someone die because of their fear of accusation, then men can never again claim women are being unreasonable wanting sex segregated spaces.

Absolutely!

'And if he sees a woman in (possibly) cardiac arrest, he can keep his distance and call an ambulance. How hard is that?'

I'd imagine to most non-monsters standing there and watching a person die would be pretty hard. But if they at least stay back and call and ambulance at least they're doing something. They're still a horrific waste of space but hey ho, a lot of men are, so they have plenty of people to complain to about how hard things are for them.

If men say they are being reasonable by letting someone die because of their fear of accusation, then men can never again claim women are being unreasonable wanting sex segregated spaces.

This.

And no, a "good man" wouldn't let an injured person die because they were thinking about themselves. If they do, they're not a good man.

Bela, that's an interesting story - no doubt told by a squaddie trying to big himself up. The truth of the matter is that as a trained first aider, he would actually have been subject to legal proceedings if he hadn't stopped and given first aid to a woman in need. It's the law in Germany that if you are a trained first aider you have to stop at the scene of an accident.
I would actually prefer that in the UK. That would prevent the nonsense.
That said, I have no doubt that there have been many more British soldiers found with their hands up women's skirts in Germany than have been providing first aid, so depending on the area it was probably an easy mistake to make...

If a man is really concerned re the child all he has to do is keep his distance and call the police. How hard is that??

And if he sees a woman in (possibly) cardiac arrest, he can keep his distance and call an ambulance. How hard is that?

If men say they are being reasonable by letting someone die because of their fear of accusation, then men can never again claim women are being unreasonable wanting sex segregated spaces.

Just incase it was me putting what I meant across completely wrong..that was not what I was saying at all

For some reason, a hell of a lot of men were up in arms about the whole 'sex scandal' thing. Thinking that women they spoke to or winked at 20 years back might suddenly start accusing them of assault and get them fired. Which was a ridiculous leap and infact made men that came out with bollocks like that sound incredibly guilty.

Same with men who think this way. That a woman is going to accuse him of sexual assault for trying to save her life.

Just seems, a ridiculous way to think.

Also to be quite honest, even if there was an absolute epidemic of, lets say, men accusing totally innocent women of sexually assaulting them when said women were trying to save their lives by doing CPR, I cannot imagine I would think of THAT when a man drops to the ground infront of me. To immediately think 'if this 0.00000000001% probability event happens I could maybe be labelled a wrong un, lets just walk away just incase' rather than 'fuck, he is going to die, lets help' would make me an utter fuckwit.

Your post 21:33:48 does not make any sense at all to me either. Sorry sir.

I was referring to previous poster who claimed anyone who had doubts about CPR was the same as someone shocked by sexual assault events in Hollywood

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Your agenda is showing, Jamie

Where have you and your mates come to visit us from ?

I could only find one instance, after a brief search, of a man who was briefly questioned by the police in Japan after a misunderstanding around using a defibrillator, rather than CPR. He was credited with using it correctly and saving the woman's life, and obviously not questioned any further. Perhaps you could link to the several cases that you found?

Have there been cases?

What does "I s someone hesitating due to fear the same as someone who doesn't believe a fact that's been known about for years?" mean?

Sorry but anyone who would think 'oh, I may be accused of sexual assault' in a situation like this is an utter cock. Similar to the idiots who upon being oh so shocked about the likes of Weinstein start worrying that a woman they said hello to 20 years ago might suddenly accuse them of sexual assault and try to get them fired

I do not believe for one sesond that a "good" man would stand by and not apply CPR to a woman who needed it, for fear of being accused of sexual harassing her.

No way at all a "good man" would stand by and think to himself "oh I had better not try and assist or save her life as someone might think I am grabbing her breast" - it's bullshit and I do not believe for a minute it actually happens. Arseholes might do this, people who really do have something to worry about (questionable behaviour & beliefs about women) might do this, but "good men"? No they don't do this.

I did actually know a man, many years ago, who was arrested in Germany, for having his hand up a womans skirt while trying to stop her bleeding to death after an accident, he'd got his fist in a hole in her groin, he was a battlefield medic. He wasnt charged, thankfully.

Either way, who cares? The end result is a woman or child not helped.

LeCroissant and Bumbledumb - I think what you are both saying is that it is (ironically) the "good men" who would hesitate. Because they are the ones who are socially conditioned not to touch women, and they are the ones who would care very much about allegations of improper conduct being made against them.

Entitled misogynists might decide not to assist a woman because they are pigs, but not because they have qualms about making physical contact with a woman

we are in a place in time where good men worry about being seen as bad men if they do something with the best of intentions.

I don't think it is the worry that they will be seen as bad men necessarily. I think it has more to do with the fact that men are socially conditioned to not touch women. In order to administer CPR they have to fight the inner voice that is telling them that what they are doing is wrong.

Making sure you're not going to burn to death or drown is not the same as worrying about someone maybe thinking something bad about you.

I'm not sure I entirely agree. Good people can also be selfish. And good people can be concerned about what might happen to them as well as outraged at male violence.

The first rule of emergency aid is help the other person only if it is safe for you to do so. Put your oxygen mask on first before helping the child beside you. Don't jump into the water to save someone from drowning if you aren't a great swimmer yourself. If the fire service have ordered everyone back from the burning building, don't try and just run in to grab something because you know where it is and you are a fast runner

Well said DJ. What I find really awful about this is the sort of implied threat - 'well you're always saying we assault you so we're going to let you die, so there!'

Aren't men ashamed of themselves?

Good men are fearless on behalf of others, just as good women are. Good men learn first aid and use it.

Men who are more concerned about an imaginary scenario over violence that happens every day to others are not good men. They are socially adept. They adopt the appearance of goodness to benefit themselves. Its an act, and the facade crumbles as soon as things get real.

Thinking back to the facilitation thread - this is essentially the case of women taking on the burden of something men should be dealing with. We are at the shitty end of this problem - we are the ones assaulted and the ones left to die. We have no reason to feel sorry for men. They should get off their arses and sort this out, if it's such a problem!