Saying feminism is about equality was an error...

Ruth turns out to be a PBP (no great surprise there) - MNHQ have zapped their threads on the other thread they were being goady on. Dunno whether they're going to zap them on this one too - might be worth reporting if anyone can be bothered.

Camille paglia sums it up nicely

"what the fuck are you looking at mate” type of people. Just general arseholes and bullies."

Agree here too.

We're told that men "hate" women and it's utter clap trap. Most violece is men directed at other men. By that reason does that mean men hate other men.

Unbridleruth- I second your opinion and agree with aspects of the article. Whilst I'm on board with a lot of feminist causes, a lot of it is going too far.
Feminism used to be about asserting that women were strong and capable, that we didn't need to be mollycoddled. We were told we were the same as men and sexually liberated. (Not that I believe for one second men and women have same sex drive).
Now it's like the wheels are in reverse- were painted as victims, people who fall apart if a male so much attempts to flirt with us. Like we're desperate to claim victim status in the battle of identity politics to be the most "oppressed"
Look at the Westminster "sex scandal" - most of it was little more than flirtation. It totally undermines real victims of sexual crimes.
The hype around it suggests that male and female relationships need to be policed. It paints a picture of women being vindictive and overly delicate.

Maybe it's 24% of the 10% of women? Maybe it's just utter bollocks that someone has magicked out of the ether in order to prove a spurious point.

If it's not ok unbridledruth, but the people who agree with you but actually go on to say so out loud are the kind of people who "will deck a guy for accidentally spilling their pint", what does that mean?

You think something isn't ok but go on to slag off the people who say what you yourself believe out loud and accuse them of violence? WTF?. While sticking up for the people who have done what you think is not ok. You won't call yourself a feminist despite meeting the definition. Do you think that makes sense? Because I don't.

It’s not ok, but those are the same type of people who will deck a guy for accidentally spilling their pint. The “what the fuck are you looking at mate” type of people. Just general arseholes and bullies.

When I was younger I just wanted to be able to walk down the street, going about my daily business, without some arse-wipe leering at me and cat-calling me. Why is this thought of as such a big ask? Yes, maybe one woman in a hundred for some reason actually likes being wolf-whistled by some bloke hanging off a builder's scaffold with his trousers hanging half way down his arse. The other ninety-nine of us do not. The odds are not in his favour - so WHY DOES HE FUCKING THINK IT'S OKAY TO DO IT?

nymag.com/scienceofus/2016/09/what-does-that-wink-mean-no-one-really-knows.html

A wink on it's own is quite an ambiguous gesture unless it is accounted for in terms of the context of the situation. This is obvious to anyone, so the fact 10-20% of people have said it can be used in a situation of harassment would be quite normal. The question itself is stupid and open to interpretation, but then usually these surveys are designed to do that and then journos just quote them without any critical thought

I think every single person, male or female, knows that a wink can signal many things and power, threat and intimidation is certainly on the list.

That's an opinion, which you don't have to share. It's not "man-bashing".

What other sorts of statements have you seen which you feel are "man-bashing"?

And yes I meant "sexual harassment" but my point still stands.

Not at all.

I'll happily discuss these issues but I refuse to call myself a feminist even if I am by definition. More than 9/10 British women seem to share my stance on this.

And I've read the man-bashing threads with my own eyes. Just a few minutes ago one of the posters in another thread on here stated that trans activism is just middle class men trying to take privilege away from women. Like WTF.

Why do keep repeating "sexual assault" in connection winking when you know it's incorrect?

You are wholly wrong about feminist threads becoming "man bashing", that's a totally incorrect assumption about the discussion in the FWR threads.

You seem to be saying that it's ok to hold feminist principles as long as you don't talk about them or tell anyone about them...

Not sexual assault, sexual harassment. The survey here made it clear that they were talking about instances when the man was not a friend/romantic partner of the woman.

It's like the difference between somebody who votes conservative and somebody who voices this as their foremost defining characteristic (often alt right people etc).

I have nothing against most feminist issues but I find a lot of self proclaimed 'feminists' spiteful and vitriolic people on a personal level. The type who are always looking for a problem. So many threads just turn into man bashing yet the large majority of men are decent human beings.

But when almost 30% of young women consider winking as sexual assault I just can't help but feel we've got a bit too precious.

Of course you do, UnbridledRuth, you use 'they' to talk about women which is interesting, and you and repeat the worn out trope that we're talking about winking when we mean sexual assault.
We arent, the author used it as an example. Harvey Weinstein has not been accused of winking at anyone. If you think Louis CK winked at anyone, the 'I' on your computer may be broken. Try replacing it with an ''A.
Both men have admitted misconduct.

Which bits do you agree with?

Do you really think anyone would report being winked at as a sexual assault? Or that's what feminists want?

What aspects of feminism are "noise" that you disagree with?

I kind of agree with her.

And talking about 'speaking for women', feminists make a lot of noise for

It must be fake naivety, surely? She can't be that dim as to think that her individual experience is representative of every woman.

'I can’t talk for all women and their personal experience. However, from my experience (Which is the only one I can reference) I think women are equal to men, and that in reality there are very few people who don’t regard us as so.'

It's called research, perhaps find a big girl that can explain it to you...

It started off so well but then went downhill rapidly.

Ugh. Short version: "I'll be a cool girl for column inches".