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Caitlin Moran article on "why not just tell men to stop?" people

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KnittingPearl · 11/11/2017 17:27

Hope this photo comes through okay - it is of an article by Caitlin Moran in today's Times magazine. A really good (I think) piece on pulling up the ladder behind you/ why it isn't enough to just expect women to tell obnoxious (or worse) men to stop.

Obviously, the biggest problem in all this is the men involved, but I think she is making some good points about society as a whole.

Caitlin Moran article on "why not just tell men to stop?" people
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birdsdestiny · 11/11/2017 21:19

Brilliant message. I remember a discussion on here once about rape which pointed out that women are not a herd of wildebeest , if we dont walk down the dark alley, we may escape but it just means another woman will be attacked. Men don't stop their behaviour that way, they keep going.

inchyrablue · 11/11/2017 21:13

Yup.

MeRichard · 11/11/2017 21:10

Yep. You can't just expect victims to have the ideal social skills or perfect personality. It is a crap response of unthinking people.

leeloo1 · 11/11/2017 19:33

Thanks for posting. Well said Caitlyn Moran!

SophoclesTheFox · 11/11/2017 19:20

I’m afraid I can’t celebrate that in a successful woman, who appears now to be boasting about it. That you yourself did not die of the poison – but you left others behind to eat it, and deal with it as they may. Of course you have risen through the ranks: you let harassers stay in their jobs; carry on as they did before. Of course you have been rewarded for your public inaction and silence

That's really powerful. Well said, Caitlin.

cheminotte · 11/11/2017 18:41

Thanks for linking this both - brilliant article. She is so right, just another case of victim blaming really.

powershowerforanhour · 11/11/2017 18:34

Yes I thought was very good. Gist of it for non-subscribers was pointing out the crapness of expecting women to deal with harassment by being "sassy" because

  1. We are not all sassy nor can this trait be just learned by every woman
  2. It doesn't fix the underlying problem - the shit behaviour by the male perpetrators isn't addressed
  3. It puts the onus on women for dealing with men's shitty behaviour rather than expecting men to regulate their own behaviour
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