We need to talk about the GRA - Glasgow

iismum- I could see Stuart’s point too, sadly I think the reality is that any talk about sexual violence is unpalatable and not persuasive to men. I think it would behoove Stuart to reflect on why that is though, why it is considered ‘hysterical’ rather than a legitimate argument.

Getting behind in the conversation ... I was at the discussion about a code word - had to run off for the train. I met several MNers - I think we were a large proportion of the group! I asked the question to Stuart about whether he also thought the Black Lives Matter campaign should shut up about violence. I kind of see where he's coming from, but essentially he seemed to be saying 'sweep it under the carpet and don't go on about it' which I don't think is good enough - naming it, recording and measuring it and trying to protect against is so important.

By the way I def gave the wrong MN name to someone - I seem to have reverted back to a really old one somehow - not sure when/how that happened. But the names are related.

Definitely Donkey

This was released yesterday by Nicola Williams of Fair Play for Women and it can assist in completing the consultation.

fairplayforwomen.com/gender-recognition-act-2004-explained

Can people on FB share and ask friends / family who you would think are supportive to complete the consultation. Closing date is 1 March

www.gov.scot/Publications/2017/11/5459/347286

Ah, Hi Ruby

Assigned I'm still breastfeeding so that may have been me...!

Wish I'd seen this earlier. I'd have loved to come along!

Heather BL thought the language was straight out of the TRA handbook and really we should tackle the language before we could answer the questions, because it was loaded to make any opposition look like bigotry.

Wow, this is such a crucial point. Language is everything in this debate. Heather is right that deconstructing trans Newspeak is THE first task of anyone wanting to challenge policy in this area. The TRA use of suicide threats as a rhetorical strategy also needs to be exposed as the abusive tactic that it is.

‘potentially dangerous’ because we’d try to exterminate them, I suppose?

ItsAll
Agent
Lemon
Seeing

SO wonderful to meet you all last night, and user lovely to meet you too and welcome to the wonderful world of the Mumsnet FWR boards!

I'm still buzzing today and can't properly concentrate on anything else, I'm so glad I went and got to meet so many fellow mumsnetters. Plectrum I'm sorry that I didn't get to meet you but hopefully another time.

Am shocked by that ridiculous leaflet - apart from anything else who can be bothered to read a wall of text filled with concepts like "cis" that most ordinary folk wouldn't have a clue about???? As for "exterminationists"odfod.

I didn't see any activists when I left but I must say the whole evening felt a bit like being in a spy movie, not knowing who could be trusted. It just blows my mind that it has to be this way.

I am very very keen to get together to take action, like meeting up with MPs/ MSPs - I was really hoping that could be a consequence of going to the meeting.

I must say just getting to speak to like minded women if only briefly has really lifted my spirits - I feel so much dread about all this and only have a couple of folk who will still listen to my ranting!

Oh and I had to stop myself from squealing when Magdelen Berns sat in the row infront......

According to the Facebook site linked by ItsAll, they are going to release a statement today on the event...

This was a very interesting post:

GET TERFS OUT OF GLASGOW!

They are organising in Glasgow this evening. Their booking for Mercure was cancelled and they will now be meeting at Grand Central hotel. The number is 0141 240 3700, please pass the message around and get calling- we only have 1.5 hours to get this cancelled! Please COPY AND PASTE- don’t share and make sure your settings are on friends only if putting this on Facebook.

If folk want to be at the (potentially dangerous) demo in an hour, please PM me

Why was the demo "potentially dangerous"? What were they expecting (planning?) to happen?

The Mencure in Ingram St I think, Sonic.

Apparently they were at Costa too. They didn't go to the pub though.

There is one almighty leak somewhere though, isn't there? 3/4 meet points known!

Hi Sonic, I know who you are too . You were brilliant, totally took Stuart to task. I really liked him but obviously disagreed with his point about the violence and you were totally bang on to put him right

Was that the other woman who was debating with Stuart? I don't know who she was but she was fab too

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth
Ah so that was you! Its great to put a face to a name. I am an 'older lady' and have just joined a gym. Didnt even think i migjt have to share with men. Havent been yet though..

Where was the original venue? Ruth said it was another hotel, I think?

Ah AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth I know who you are now too! I spoke to you briefly at the bar afterwards.

You were great, that point about the gym was such a good one.

Does anyone know if the younger woman (with the long straight dark hair and dark stripey dress, right hand side middle, near Gill who spoke at the start) is a MNer? She was great too. And the woman who was a GP? And there were a few people who spoke in the row behind me who were so good as well.

It was just such a good night.

Did I meet you last night Red? Are you still Bfing?

Thanks Its

I was Agent always one to bring down the tone of the place me

Assigned, you were the “tits and fannies” person! Good point well made.

A couple of us are trying to get a meeting with the Scottish Parliament to which we can invite MSPs.

I wonder how they found out what the original venue was?

Hello user, AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth and ItsAllGoingToBeFine! I’m not sure who was who but v nice to meet you!