Women prefer working for male bosses

What agenda?

I notice you pick up on that rather than the OP's previous ridiculous comments aimed at me, pasted in my previous posts. As to your last comments to me, suffice to say they were also belittling, once again aimed at eroding my confidence and suggesting I've only had work experience I have due to my dad's profession (never mind anything I've achieved).

Haha this thread is hilarious. For some reason most of the posters aren't regulars here.
As we seem to be doing anecdata, most of the women I've worked for have been amazing. One was ineffectual. The men have varied between absolute shit and awesome.
The only gender difference I have noticed is I have never had a woman make sexual comments to me, imply I only got my job because more senior boss wanted to shag me or tell me I'm too assertive to get on with and need to shut up.

Tbh, I’d be worried about the prospect of you representing a man in legal decisions that could significantly affect his life. You seem to have a serious grudge against men, and this is without having even entered the corporate world properly yet!

How did you reach this ridiculous conclusion? Once again, opposing misogyny is decried as having "a serious grudge against men".

It stands to reason that having a vagina makes you a bad boss coz hormones or something.

I would guess that large numbers of women in the UK have probably only ever had female bosses. I know that as a whole women are underrepresented at management level in big business etc. But there are also many jobs where the vast majority of staff are female so it stands to reason that the managers mostly are as well (although not always, obviously). But you're likely to have mostly directly reported to women if you are, for example, a nurse, a care worker or work in a shop. Or even, to an extent, if you work in banking at the customer facing level, or in the accounts or HR department of a business.

I think the bigger issue is that with fewer women in the workplace (in aggregate), when we encounter a bad female boss we attribute her badness to her femaleness. ie Joanna was a bad boss, women tend to be bad bosses.
When we encounter a bad male boss.. because there are so many men around.. we attribute their badness to some other trait. John is a bad boss.. ooh I hate working for Liverpuddlians. Or some such thing.

This is often why it feels like ethnic / racial minorities and women are held to a higher standard - because each individual is expected to represent the group, while with straight white men we see each individual as just representative of that individual.

Also, every poster on the thread so far has had issues with specific female managers and have now decided all female managers are bad.

What thread are you reading? Quite a few posters have said no such thing.

I think lots of women think they get on with men better in general

I've had one excellent male boss and one (current) excellent female boss. In between had a mixture of OK and rubbish male and female bosses

Interesting because my personal experience has been the opposite. I've had only great female managers but some awful male ones.

I've worked in a wide range of organisations and have found that while my female managers and colleagues have worked collaboratively the male bosses just couldn't switch their competitiveness off. Even where they were supposed to be working as a team. Drives me nuts!

I'm a teacher and have aleays preferred male bosses. In my many years of experience I have found that female bosses can be bullies and get drawn into the politics of the place. The men have been far more straightforward. I'm only speaking from experience. I'd take a male boss any day.

In banking there are more female managers at the senior level (number tails off at CEO), and they are fantastic as a whole. Talented, nuturing of talent, and inclusive. But then so are the male managers. You get bad eggs everywhere but I find that some women are more likely to forgive bad behaviour if a man does it - my guess is all pf those women have posted this morning.

@lizzieoak - in my experience female bosses are more honest than male bosses about the impact of always prioritizing home life vs work. A male boss would just silently bypass you for promotion, while the female boss will give you strategies to help.

Also, every poster on the thread so far has had issues with specific female managers and have now decided all female managers are bad. Would you have thought the same if your old boss was black / disabled? I think not!

Could it be that how your boss is perceived by her peers has an impact on how easy she is to work for? My current boss (who is great) is the only woman at her level in my part of the business, and it's evident that some of the older men give her a harder time because of that. If she has to spend more time justifying her existence, so do her team. I can see that in some cases that might lead to women bosses being more demanding and more stressed. (Anecdata of course but so is most of the thread...)

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Showing your agenda there op

What agenda? Whether you like it or not the fact is women do say they don't want a female boss. In my experience it is said with reference to specific women not the idea of female bosses in general.

I have come across trainees who are not interested in a job offer from a specific department but if the reason for turning it down has been specific to a person rather than the department it has been a woman.

Lizzie - that’s very interesting. The boss I had when I was heavily pregnant would constantly regale us with stories of how she went back to work two weeks after giving birth, I must have heard this story about a million times.She’d go on to say how no one needs 6 month’s maternity leave,sort of implying how those who do this are just lazy and she on the other hand was driven and a go getter!

Strangely when a poster called Xenia on here used to post she used to argue the same twaddle and boast about how she went back to work after 3 days or something equally ridiculous, arguing about how all the breast feeding could be done by expressing at work.

I think there’s definitely some element of female bosses feeling the need to prove and justify themselves in a way men don’t. That is not women’s fault that as a result of yrs of subordination but it sometimes doesn’t make for a easy Luce when you’re at the receiving end of it.

The worst bosses I have ever had were women. Utterly unreasonable, explosive anger, constant moving of goalposts, malicious bullying of anyone more junior than them.

On the other hand, the best bosses I've ever had were women too. Encouraging, appreciative, reasonable, clear in their expectations.

I have no preference at all as to whether I work for a man or a woman.

It does make me sad to read that women don't like working for other women because it's like we're our own worst enemies.

Bad person, definitely not a bar person!

It is only my experience, but my sense is that male bosses don’t need their female staff to be mini-me’s in the way female bosses do.

My priority is my kids first, work second. Male bosses don’t seem unsettled by this but female bosses have regaled me with stories of how they missed their kids’ birthdays, let the nanny take their kids to A & E, missed recitals etc. It’s what hey did and if I don’t have those priorities, their priorities, then I’m a bar person.

So the ‘evidence’ is American and small samples at that!

Let’s remember that the majority of America voted for Trump... I rest my case

I've had a handful of both male and female bosses.

By far the worst was male, he was unfair, two-faced, backstabbing, a bully and completely incompetent. I had one good male manager and a few average.

Have also had a few mediocre women bosses, a couple of good ones and one great one.

I should imagine a company full of feminists, who understand what it’s like to navigate life as a woman, completely appreciate childcare problems, and working with men general, would be a bit of a dream.

This is what I have now Not company, but department. It's great.

Reading with interest. I’ve worked for more female bosses than men, infact just two men. Although all the female bosses were okay bar one really awful one. One male boss was okayish but the second male boss has been the best to date, He absolutely strived to make sure I knew everything he knew. Nothing was too much, he would go over and beyond to explain tricky technical concepts. He constantly asked about our career aspirations and gave advice or provided opportunities for us to gain experience in that respect.
He covered our backs if we got something wrong and then would ‘discuss’ it later just within our team, in private.
Non of the other bosses includ8ng the other male ever took such an interest of was that supportive.

The one awful female boss enjoyed making you feel a fool, and even better in front of the whole office. She made it plain clear she was not remotely interested in you other than to get your job done. There was no support and most of us went into work each day with high anxiety levels. Although that was many years ago, we still talk about it today.

I’m not sure wether that confirms anything from the research as it’s just a tiny sample, but that’s been my personal experience.

just screaming “patriaaaarchy”? oh ffs grow up.