Women prefer working for male bosses

Lass, why on earth do you keep referring to your experience as if it's universal? It's not

Where on earth , to quote you , have I said it is universal? I have no more said that than you , or other posters , have said of your or their experience. Please stop making things up.

I am shocked and depressed by the suggestion that bad female bosses can't be let off the hook because it is the fault of the patriarchy. How infantilising.

I don't mean sleeping with people to clarify! I just mean the tendency of men to treat pretty young woman better.

Lass, why on earth do you keep referring to your experience as if it's universal? It's not. There were two female bullies in your firm, whoop-de-do. As I said, the most aggressive partners I've known have been male. I do have to admit that my only two excellent bosses have been since I left private practice, I'm not particularly enamoured of that environment in any event.
One aspect we haven't discussed is the question of "sexual capital" . Certainly when I was a pretty young trainee surrounded by other pretty young trainees, I did wonder whether the preference some of them expressed for male bosses (not reflected in my perception by the quality of associate/partner involved) was because it is not possible to trade on "sexual capital" with a female boss?

My experience of female bosses (not managers but ceos ) has largely been negative. I wouldn't say I'd prefer a male boss but neither would I just expect to get on with a female one by dint of my sex.

You called yourself an ‘employer’, you said you worked in a ‘law office’ your words. Unusual choice

Having said I won't respond this little snippet of ignorance is too priceless to resist.

You clearly know absolutely nothing about how law firms work- how much importance is set internally about our roles as employers as a firm and individuals.

Yes cos patriarchy and cos biology.

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I never said you were a man. Interesting that you choose to accuse me of that though

What was the point of "goodnight bro"? Do not refer to me as "bro". I am not your "bro" (thank goodness) nor anyone else's.

I skim read over the rest of your wall of text, which I assume will be as patronising as your previous posts.

Yes cos patriarchy and cos biology.
Nowt to do wi me.

Any comment on the studies that have been linked Melody?

Or actual ideas on why biology could have an effect on someone's managerial performance?

When 50% of managers are women it’s time to nitpick their behaviour. Reading this just makes me want to be the boss, so no idiot is telling me what to do!

If true, this is surely a prime example of us women shooting ourselves in the foot and must be a serious contributor to male dominance.
No it is a prime example of internalised, systemic misogyny.
Much like this thread.
Women aren’t succeeding when the odds are firmly stacked against them, lets blame the women.
Bullshit.

I was good friends with my female manager, however she has four teenage kids with a full time nanny and absolutely could not understand why anyone had childcare issues sometimes. She even said once after having a few wines that she preferred to fire men as they where more reliable.

OP I don't think you know anything about research and statistics

Oh dear, Strawerry . I'd check your facts before spewing this one :

"So the ‘evidence’ is American and small samples at that!

Let’s remember that the majority of America voted for Trump... I rest my case"

Hmm. The subconcious thing makes a lot of sense to me. I do think that women are held to account in different ways to men, and that in a lot of cases an internalized mysoginy may well be at play in some of the pol responses.

Personally, I have only ever had 3 bosses in my working life. My favourite boss was male. He was firm, fair, friendly, had a slight anger issue at times but generally reasonable and just a general all round good guy. This guy is actually now my father in law Its not confirmation bias. Before I even met DH I said he was the best boss I ever worked for and meant it. Not that I really had that much else to go on mind. Before him I worked for a woman who was ok I guess. Not really exceptional in any area, but also no real negative traits besides (again) a slight anger issue sometimes, Probably a lot more of a 'professional' boss than FIL as he tended to be more a friend right from the interview stage where she always kept work and life very seperate. My first boss was male. Absolutely disgusting pervert who was just sleazy, had a huge anger issue, arrogant, just..I struggle finding much good in him at all. Ultimately I was sacked for refusing to suck him off.

I don't think I have a preference for sex of boss, given my limited experience. Though I will say, I would pass up the chance of another boss like FIL in an instant if it meant never having to have even a 0.1% chance of another guy like sleazy pervert. So maybe on that basis, I would lean more towards favouring females. As yes I understand females can be like this, but I also understand it would be exceptionally rare where real life tells me pervy guys in general are not as rare as I would like them to be.

I am also a lawyer (funny how many people in law firms clicked on this thread)

It is probably because it is the profession which will have the greatest number of women at senior levels.

I don't come across the same numbers of female partners in surveyors , valuers, accountancy or stockbroker's firms as in law firms.

Hmmm I can see why bullying might be endemic in your organisation

Oh dear me. You really do have difficulties in reading don't you? How many times do I have to say I have been talking about a very small number of women over a 30 plus years career?

I find it hard to believe you are an ‘employer at a law office’ they tend to be called law firms, and the employers are the partners. Your (lack of) critical thinking, writing style and melodramatic tendencies do not read to me as someone operating at that level. So good story bro. Sleep tight

I didn't use the expression "employer at a law office". I am perfectly aware law firms operate as partnerships. As a partner, (or to be more accurate it is a "member" these days as most operate as LLPs) I am an employer. Do I need to explain what an LLP is?

"Goodnight bro"- I take it that is the tedious , say the poster is a man argument trotted out when everything else fails. It is as risible as your ridiculous arguments that female bullies are "victims of patriarchy".

Aouch. Sorry about the typos.. sleep deprived

I am also a lawyer (funny how many people wiring in law firms clicked on this thread) and out of 5 former bosses, the two were terrible managers (relying on fear to get stuff done), two were exceptionally good managers, and one was a horrible nasty bully borderlining on harassment. Turns out the great managers were both male, the rest were all female. Including the bully.

Now I am not saying patriarchy does not play a role into that, but there is no valid excuse to treat other people with the respect and consideration you would yourself want. Excluding the downright nasty ones who are just shitty human beings, maybe women in general are receiving terrible advice when it comes to management? Women in management position is a fairly recent thing - maybe as a social group we lack the experience to create our own style and are just copy pasting with more or less success what we observe from/have been taught by men?

Also, the "red lining" every single draft for absolutely no reason at all - all three women I worked with did that.. and none of the men. Puzzling. Why is this a thing?! Mean teacher fantasy?

I didn’t misunderstand anything. I think you know that already though

You give every impression of someone who failed to understand what they were reading.

If you are unable to make the intellectual link between environment and behaviour then we probably can’t have a sensible discussion
Did you say you’re a lawyer upthread?

Yes I am.

I find your comments such as Bullying tends to be borne of insecurity and lack of self esteem, a sense of not having any serious power, so I agree these women are victims of the patriarchylaughable in the desperate attempt to excuse behaviour by women which would rightly be condemned if done by a man.

And offensive to the employees who have had to put up with the behaviour of these "victims of the patriarchy".

I agree there is not a sensible discussion to be had.

This is particularly the case given your repeated failure to comprehend I am talking about very senior women- women at partner level. Women with real power.

Given the quite astonishing lack of comprehension you have displayed (I particularly loved the sympathetic tone where you had failed to read my posts properly to realise I am an employer) your talking about my being unable to make the intellectual link is really quite funny.

Interesting discussion. I’ve worked in law firms for 30 years, and I’m an employment lawyer so I get to hear a lot about workplace behaviour. I have had one truly awful female boss and have observed truly terrible male bosses. I don’t think either sex wins when it comes to bullying or nastiness.

Funnily enough, I was thinking just today whether I prefer being instructed by men or women and I’d say that overwhelmingly - but not exclusively- the clients I prefer dealing with are male. Now I’m usually dealing with pretty senior people who have lost their jobs and I’m usually negotiating the severance. The men tend to be unemotional and results driven, women tend in my experience to be much more emotional and less focused when these situations arise. That’s an impressionistic view and not 100% accurate of course, but it is my experience.