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Best tweet ever on trans madness

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AssignedPerfectAtBirth · 06/11/2017 11:34

twitter.com/half_half_lady/status/927434611923341312

Had to post it Grin

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DonkeySkin · 06/11/2017 14:40

Sorry, X-post.

Something mild like 'we could all do with a bit' or something. Just it was a bit weird and creepy.

I am all for women listening to their instincts when a man comes across as creepy. Our gut feeling on this is NEVER wrong. The problem is that there are many things that men can do to make women uncomfortable, creeped out, etc., while doing nothing officially 'wrong' - or at least, walking a borderline which gives them plausible deniability. I'm not sure what Tesco would do about your complaint - they might warn him (and the women he was 'joking' with) not to engage in sexual banter in front of customers.

woman11017 · 06/11/2017 14:40

I can report the inappropriate behaviour, woman If the colleague is transgender though - which is not something which we would have to confirm - they are allowed by law to use the facilities of the gender they identify as. There is no action we could take to change that.

So large man in make up will be using toilets where girls and young women go.

Has anyone else had any experience of challenging this malarkey, especially in supermarkets?

DonkeySkin · 06/11/2017 14:30

woman11017, what would you be reporting him for, exactly? Wearing a dress? I reckon most feminists would say it's OK for men to wear dresses, and that people shouldn't be fired for not conforming to sex-roles around dress and presentation.

Or did you mean the 'banter' with female colleagues? This is fairly vague, as banter could cover anything from, well, banter, to sexual harassment.

Sorry if this sounds overly interrogative, it's just that your post set off some warning bells for me, in the sense that maybe it's intended to goad some Mumsnetters into saying that men should be reported to their employers for presenting in feminine dress, and presenting it as 'evidence' that we want trans people fired.

If there's more to the story then feel free to elaborate in another thread (as this one pertains to something else).

woman11017 · 06/11/2017 14:21

Something mild like 'we could all do with a bit' or something. Just it was a bit weird and creepy.

BatteredBreadedOrSouthernFried · 06/11/2017 14:11

He shouldn’t be having “suggestive banter” in front of customers regardless of what he is wearing. What was he saying?

woman11017 · 06/11/2017 14:06

Don't know where would be the right place to post, but, just returned from local tesco where a very big man (6+foot ish, 15 stone or so) 'dressed' as a woman was working on self service tills. He started some loud suggestive banter with some other women workers there while 'helping' me. I was intimidated. Would he be able to use women't toilets?

Little kids from local schools visit there a lot.

Anyone got any advice? Contacting the store, I will do, although I suspect they'll claim Equalities Act covers him working there.

DJBaggySmalls · 06/11/2017 11:46

''Many socially constructed things have real-world referents. But the language we use and the categories and concepts are in our heads''

Things are real but language we use to name the things is in our heads.... good grief @theDXman, did that sound profound to you when you wrote this?

BatteredBreadedOrSouthernFried · 06/11/2017 11:36

Grin brilliant!

StealthPolarBear · 06/11/2017 11:35

Yes love it