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Linda Bellos and Helen Steel in Cambridge.

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Betty184 · 05/11/2017 17:06

www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/a-womans-place-is-on-the-platform-tickets-39588207394?

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GuardianLions · 24/11/2017 23:05

Smile StarSmile Star Smile Star Smile Star Smile Star Smile Star

That's great

whitehandledkitchenknife · 24/11/2017 22:22

MN mentioned in dispatches as being instrumental in leading me here. To a not insignificant murmur of approval.

About half a dozen of us identified ourselves to each other.

GuardianLions · 24/11/2017 22:02

I saw that Women's Place UK tweeted a shout out to @MumsnetTowers... was there a notable mn presence or any discussion about mn on the day?

whitehandledkitchenknife · 24/11/2017 21:55

Or vagina Grin

DJBaggySmalls · 24/11/2017 21:52

Like a V for Vipers sign? Grin

reallybadidea · 24/11/2017 21:11

Ahhh, haven't come across them before. We should have all had some kind of secret mumsnet sign to identify one another Grin

whitehandledkitchenknife · 24/11/2017 21:03

She works at The Kite Trust - based in Cambridge - as a project worker and trans lead on school based work.

reallybadidea · 24/11/2017 20:57

I didn't see her at the pub and I think I heard someone say that she was from a pro-trans organisation (I'm guessing mermaids). I hope that she reflects on what was said and has a rethink.

I also had a ticket for the Robert Webb talk tomorrow, but on the back of last night I'm sending my very pro-trans teenage son instead - I hope it gives him some gender critical ideas to think about.

whitehandledkitchenknife · 24/11/2017 20:51

Couldn't agree more norahnamechange. It would have been good to talk. This may have happened at the pub. I had to shoot off, so I don't know if anyone engaged with her later.

Indeed, we have nothing to hide.

whitehandledkitchenknife · 24/11/2017 20:46

Who knows reallybadidea? She was brave. Wrong. But brave.

norahnamechange · 24/11/2017 20:45

whitehandledkitchenknife
Irritating as it is that there was infiltration, (especially if they took a place that a woman could have had) I think we should be relaxed about it. Not of course when the activists use it to threaten and silence us but because women are not frightened of open discussion. We have nothing to hide.
It is transactivists whose rhetoric falls apart on close inspection, it is the misogynists who rely on #nodebate and silencing and no platforming etc as their arguments don't stack up.
I've been reading the comments below the line in various papers online since Janice Turner opened this up in the Times and for every "a transgender women is a woman" comment there are countless others peak-transing as they read the delusions and lies.
It won't be easy but there is a shift happening.

reallybadidea · 24/11/2017 20:33

Well why didn't he stand up and support her then?! I totally disagreed with her, but I thought she was incredibly brave to express her views. It might have been a bit easier for her if she'd had some support.

Is he making out that he was some kind of intrepid, undercover reporter?! PMSL

whitehandledkitchenknife · 24/11/2017 19:53

It would appear that at least one of the men in attendance last night was an infiltrator. I've had sight of them 'bigging up' the woman who challenged the views of the room and how she stood up to the 'TERFs' and how they will have regretted giving her a ticket given that she stood up and challenged the lot of us.
Another one was gutted at having his ticket cancelled. He had a speech prepared and everything.

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Catsrus · 24/11/2017 12:22

I followed it on Twitter Smile really pleased to see it went ahead without any problems, sensible, intelligent, informed, discussion is crucial.

Catabogus · 24/11/2017 10:09

Grin Thank you for all the nice comments about my baby! (She was actually a little horror between the hours of midnight and 5am but we will gloss over that...)

It looks like Fair Play for Women do have quite a few more events coming up: fairplayforwomen.com/news/events

ferntwist · 24/11/2017 09:06

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SweetGrapes · 24/11/2017 09:05

Missed it finally. There was a work thing I couldn't get out of. But will be looking out on youtube.
Have been looking out for others on eventbrite but they have been too far.

SelmaAndJubjub · 24/11/2017 08:55

Would have loved to have gone but was working. So pleased that it passed off with no trouble.

woman11017 · 24/11/2017 08:50

That Linda Bellos is back in the frame and women are referencing women like Andrea Dworkin is a dream come true for old sisters like me. Smile

Hope Spare Rib and Virago limber back into action.

Spare Rib was our magazine and invaluable. I don't know of any online women's rights publications which have the same bite, but maybe I'm looking in the wrong places. Virago publishing house was the gateway to so many of us re learning our story through women writers who had been 'erased'.

QueenOfTheFlatPack · 24/11/2017 08:08

It was brilliant! And great to meet you lovely ladies. And the cutest baby ever Grin
I have been scared to post on these boards but perhaps not so much now. Oh and i am definitely now a feminist StarHalo with a bit of a crush on Linda Bellos!

CuppaTeaAndAJammieDodger · 24/11/2017 07:35

I believe it’s being put on YouTube Kropotkinator Uf you follow them on Twitter I’m sure they’ll announce when it’s up (@womansplaceuk)

Kropotkinator · 24/11/2017 07:24

Does anyone know if it'll be put online?

CuppaTeaAndAJammieDodger · 24/11/2017 04:18

Catabogus your baby was an absolute delight :)

It was an inspiring talk, I wish I could have stayed longer afterwards but had a bit of a drive to get home and was knackered (plus am rather shy at the best of times). All the speakers we’re fantastic, Helen was especially touching and it was clearly an emotional subject for her (the treatment she received from the TRAs has obviously had had a significant effect on her).

I was appreciative of the woman who challenged Heather (not that I agreed with her in the slightest) as it highlighted the fact that debate, something not afforded to us gender critical women, is needed and should take place. I just wish she had done it in a more eloquent and less confrontational way as to promote critical thinking rather than just putting people’s shackles up. Heather responded fantastically.

TitaniasCloset · 24/11/2017 03:21

I so wanted to go. I'm really hoping that another event can be planned in South London or Croydon.

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