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Article Showing Autogynaphilia in Action

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MightyMikey · 03/11/2017 17:37

Read this article in The Guardian today, how can anyone (even Guardian readers) deny AGP exists. This man explains the glee in involving unsuspecting shop workers to his fetish - surely the shop girls (I can safely assume he targets the young female cashiers) should be protected from this. They are unconsenting participants in his fetish.
Unfortunately, this guy is going to be more protected than these women workers if and when self ID comes into effect.
Guardian Article

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TheSmallClangerWhistlesAgain · 14/11/2017 16:44

He uses the word "panties". Only the very old and perverts call them that.
I hope someone works out who he is and bans him from their store.

AssignedPerfectAtBirth · 14/11/2017 16:39

"It is always the Christians who get hung out to dry in this"

Isn't it funny that the story about the Christian teacher who was sacked for 'misgendering' came out in the last few days after quite a few gender critical articles

whycantwegoonasthree · 14/11/2017 16:34

My partner likes to wear women's clothing and lingerie from time to time, and I quite like it when he does. That said, when we've shopped for lingerie (which needs to be tried on) we've always contacted the store in advance, explained the situation, and asked if thats ok, and usually arranged with them to ask for particular assistant with experience or who doesn't mind.

They've always been really professional and matter-of-fact and so have we.

I think there's nothing inherently wrong with cross-dressing (I do it too - but I do think it's easier for a woman) but agree that it has to be done respectfully and consensually with anyone who is involved - even/especially on the periphery.

I don't think there's anything anti-feminist about cross-dressing per se, and I do think it's really common...

MightyMikey · 14/11/2017 16:31

Apparently this TIM had met the Christian printer before and knew full well his Christian views.

Totally targeted this guy to be used to promote his dodgy business (doesn't sound like a lot of companies are lining up to spend money so they can be told how bigoted they are).
Forget the rights of an individual's religious beliefs and trample all over them for a purely selfish reason of wanting to validate your femaleness and most delicate oppressesive person ever (baring in mind this is an ex military man). Also, lovely dose of self-promotion.
I say this as an agnostic, all people have a right to peacefully practice their religion. All Trans have a right to peacefully go about their business. No one should have a right to force some to participate in something they don't belive in.

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Terrylene · 14/11/2017 16:14

It is always the Christians who get hung out to dry in this. They need some better advice.

pisacake · 14/11/2017 15:57

Oh word, it's THIS attention-seeking wanker.

Only in the news a matter of weeks ago.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/christian-printer-refuses-turns-down-business-cards-for-transgender-consultant-nigel-williams-joanne-a8001491.html

He managed to find a beastly Christian who wouldn't print business cards for his trans business (which he conveniently publicised) and now he's also conveniently publicising it again.

pisacake · 14/11/2017 15:49

Yes he gets the fake tits but no of course he's not going to get rid of his cock, he needs that to wank.

MightyMikey · 14/11/2017 15:24

This is just how AGP individuals operate. A whole career benefiting from male privilege with a home life using a supporting wife (I could guarantee it was his wife who did the majority of child care/house-wife work); fathering children.
But now the time is to let go of the reins and do exactly as you please. indulging in your fetish. Note, no quote from the wife or adult children - makes me wonder how supporting they really are. Also note social contagion - only realised he wasn't just a crossdresser when in contact with other AGPs.

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pisacake · 14/11/2017 14:10

Another article today

www.portsmouth.co.uk/lifestyle/big-read-once-i-opened-the-box-it-wouldn-t-close-1-8240202

Said fetishist has setup a website offering trans consulting services, because in 2017 sexual fetishes are human rights.

seechangehappen.co.uk

hipsterfun · 04/11/2017 14:38

I’d be delighted to start paying for the Guardian, if only they’d drop the bullshit identity politics and get serious.

fruitlovingmonkey · 04/11/2017 14:33

The fucking Guardian. Has anyone done a statistical analysis on the number of transgender articles they feature? It reads as if every other person is trans while they ignore the inconvenient truth that every other person is female.
I must say, I'm really enjoying my Times subscription, especially getting to read Janice Turner every week.

pisacake · 04/11/2017 14:05

The Guardian cant get enough of autogynephiles. There's another in today's paper.

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/nov/04/letter-to-children-tell-them-transgender-letter-always-wanted-write

MightyMikey · 04/11/2017 10:57

I used Autogynaphilia because this guy is going out and about then going home, getting sexually excited by seeing himself in women's clothing. This is on a scale of AGP. Excitement by imaging yourself as a woman.
If I was a betting woman I would put money on that this time next year he will have progressed to wearing dresses, shoes, a bit of make up, bra - which leads into breast forms to fill out the bra. I've never heard of a guy who doesn't escalate. Maybe in 10 years he will be a full time woman in a changing room near you. Maybe not, but, as I say, it would be a safe bet to say he will.

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nauticant · 04/11/2017 10:31

But I thought Autogynaphilia was making your body like the object of your desires?

It seems to me that a key part of the fetish for some (many?) is to coerce validation of their "femaleness" out of women, and particularly out of young women. The more discomfort elicited, the bigger the thrill.

DJBaggySmalls · 04/11/2017 10:07

QOFE Its called 'under the radar bullying'. the only people who can see it are the people involved, so its hard to deal with. If you try to explain what happened you sound like a loon.

The Guardian thinks its OK to print an abusive fantasy, but then deletes all comments that point out this is abusive behaviour, and those that mention autogynephilia.

user1467297746 · 04/11/2017 09:49

the wink was disgusting - totally self absorbed,

But I thought Autogynaphilia was making your body like the object of your desires?

this sounds like a crusty cross-dresser

misscockerspaniel · 04/11/2017 09:41

"...So I assume it would take balls to be honest that you're buying lingerie for yourself, as a man (yes - an odd sentence, I grant you). So the wink, and "assertiveness" I read as pride, and as two fingers to being judged, The guy enjoying buying his lingerie. If the sales person didn't, well that's their problem, and their prejudice".

Men really are from a different planet.

GuardianLions · 03/11/2017 22:56

I think it's disgusting the creep is probably walking off at his own post and all the btl comments too. The whole fucking thing is a big narcissistic wank fest.

hipsterfun · 03/11/2017 22:48

I’ll use my words. Three of them:

Shop online, creeps!

Ereshkigal · 03/11/2017 22:41

Definitely, to the last two posts. It's so difficult to explain this to decent men in my experience. They just don't get it.

Bucketsandspoons · 03/11/2017 21:59

And worse, if you get angry and he sees it, he's going to find it even hotter.

QOFE · 03/11/2017 21:13

There's this feeling that's almost indescribable but I bet other women on here will know. The sort of sick fury that takes hold when you know a man is trying to put you in a situation you don't want to be in, but in a way that you'd sound bonkers if you tried to complain about. Powerless impotent rage, because you can't stop the vile bastards from thinking their vile thoughts but you hate the fact you feature in them.

The winking would definitely provoke it. Just fuck off you creepy fuck.

QOFE · 03/11/2017 21:10

"Use your words" Grin Grin Grin

But yeah the whole thing is just rank. I'd want to punch anyone wanking winking in that situation. Because you know they'd be going home to wank over the interaction and the part you'd played in it. Ugh.

JigglyTuff · 03/11/2017 18:58

Grim. Love this comment though:

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As an ex lingerie sales assistant there is a world of difference between a man quietly saying ‘I’m actually shopping for myself’ and winking at you to convey that information.

The former got my time, attention, manners and respect to help with something taboo and potentially challenging for that customer. The latter got you banned from the changing rooms because the amount of men wanking in there was grim.

You want advice on how to buy stockings you feel sexy in? Use your words instead of trying to make it into Carry On Lingerie. That job was just constant sexual harassment and inappropriate comments from men and even as a teenager I was aware of how creepy it was that so many men can’t buy knickers without trying to get saucy with the shop assistant.

Not once did a woman make a sexually inappropriate comment in the same environment..."

Well, I don't love it but at least she's pointing out what a fucking grim thing it is to involve women doing a job in your filthy fetishes.

nauticant · 03/11/2017 18:56

It's the obtuseness Olympics in the comments below that piece.

You know, I probably prefer the BTL comments on the Daily Mail to those on The Guardian.