Helen Steel's statement about being assaulted on Saturday

Datun

twitter.com/FourthWaveLFA/status/927104270691946497

This person calls herself a '4th Wave Feminist' while defending attacks on Maria at Speakers' corner. Also accusing 'TERFs' of calling the police to their boycott of the Ripper Museum yesterday*, where Tara was lifted. She was part of the protest to so presumably a friend of Tara's.

*(Because of course the owners of the museum would never think to call the police now would they?)

AssignedPerfectAtBirth

Any chance you could link to the tweet?

Not surprised he is released without charge. the police didn't seem too keen to catch him in the first place. probably cried 'transphobia' the second they got him to the station. Horrible little runt.

Yes, that libcom lot are just ridiculous tbh. They will defend anything at all that TAs do, by the looks of it. When one murders a woman, it will be the womans fault somehow. Sounds familiar...

Apparently released without charge according to a tweet

If you need a space to do your anarchy where you're protected from words and other people having ideas you disagree with, I really, really think you're doing it wrong.

YY.

SophoclesTheFox

They have absolutely no idea who Helen Steel is. She is a woman with a different view, that’s enough.

Ereshkigal

Well exactly. The inequality between feminists/women and transactivists becomes patently obvious to anyone who has the slightest clue about either.

And this is always makes me feel astounded. If you are just talking about two sets of people with different views arguing, it wouldn’t be so bad. But you’re talking about allowing these mouthy, violent men to campaign for access to the women they despise.

From "Rob Ray" on Libcom about terfisaslur:

It's pretty much entirely just a gallery of screenshots of hotheads being angry-shouty on Twitter. Which I'd agree is unpleasant, but is also something that happens all the bloody time because people of all political stripes can't seem to help but act like mouthy tossers on Twitter. It'd not be too hard to find similar levels of bile directed at trans people.

Really? What an idiot. Radical feminists do not threaten to rape people to death. Many of the comments are very sexual in nature. Ignorant men like this don't see the misogyny.

Oh my goodness, just saw your post re the arrest, Datun. I didn't realise it was the same person! He is unhinged. Good news that he's been arrested.

It really says something about your politics and your character if you think shouting abuse at Helen Steel, one of the most stalwart champions of free speech of our times, is a good way of getting your message across. If your cause was righteous, people like Helen would defend it. Did the even know who the fuck they were shouting at about being oppressed by words? Did none of them ever hear of McLibel?

If you need a space to do your anarchy where you're protected from words and other people having ideas you disagree with, I really, really think you're doing it wrong.

The man responsible for the violence at speakers corner, and subsequent violence at the anarchist book fair has finally been arrested.

mobile.twitter.com/mayday4women/status/926892235580428289?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fhelensteelbookfairstatement.wordpress.com%2F2017%2F11%2F02%2Fstatement-on-events-at-anarchist-bookfair-2017-by-helen-steel%2F

So women shouldn't call the police when abused by TRAs but should just take the abuse? Where have I heard that before? Oh yes, DA perpetrators.

Plus I never understand why those shouting terf don't take into account that women saying they are unhappy about men entering women's spaces absolutely support the trans men who use those spaces and always have - so it's not trans exclusionary, it's purely about their right to say no to biological men which is under attack.

One of the Libcom idiot men about Helen Steele:

"It is also clear that she doesn't have any issue with one of her TERF colleagues calling the police on the trans-activists, as she considers violence against women and issue which is immune from such reporting being "snitching" (for clarification, I'm not saying I do consider it has such. For example if survivors of domestic or sexual violence want to contact police I completely support their right to do so. But I don't think that calling the police on someone who confronted a bigot at an anarchist book fair is acceptable)."

I've come across a fair bit of actual transphobia. I've yet to hear any from anyone I'd consider a feminist.

Trans people are not denied healthcare, murdered, prostituted or harmed in any other way by feminists. It's men that do that, and I'll give you a fiver if any of those men do it because they have a radical feminist understanding of gender.

A lot of 'terfs disagree with trans peoples right to exist' too. Its an odd point that one, as its never said yet argued against constantly. I also don't get the 'just want to pee in peace, terfs want to stop us from peeing!!!111' thing. Noone is saying you cannot pee. Just that you should pee with the rest of the male population. As the male person that you are.

Yes. I believe a lot of the 'transphobic' comments have been deleted since I read it, which seems to mean that all reasonable posters have had their posts removed. It was deemed to be transphobic, for example, to say trans women and cis women. So even use of the word forced onto 'us' was transphobic as it differentiated between trans women and women. The whole thread was pretty bonkers to start with, I haven't read back over it since admin removed comments, I imagine its even worse now. But yes, the lengths gone to to defend the violence and intimidation were really something.

I believe I even saw one person say that violence against 'terfs' is entirely justified and is infact self defense (as nasty words are actually worse than violence) and that anyone who attacks a 'terf' is in the right.

Bloody hell, they are really trying to justify the violence in that thread.

I don't as they were pretty much just random posts on twitter, though one was definitely typed up in statement form. Will have a look later on.

A lot of the false versions blaming 'terfs' for all manner of ills have been posted on here though

libcom.org/forums/announcements/london-anarchist-bookfair-saturday-28th-october-2017-30052017?page=2

And the thread in general should show the lengths some are willing to go to to pretend that it was all the 'evil terfs' fault, rather than as usual, TAs

Have you got a link to those versions horny?

The activists seem to have agreed on a false version to give out too. As they all reckon they saw the same thing, but in different words. Like the attempt to make out Maria attacked the 3 men. Less and less people are taking them at their words now though it seems. About time, as they are amazing at spin and lies. Seems to be the only thing they actually are good at, besides intimidating women.

The treatment she has received over this is disgraceful tbh, but not shocking. I am so glad prominent figures are starting to speak out over this issue now.

Anyone else seen the ridiculous versions of the bookfair story that are going around twitter? I saw a version which had 'terfs' literally throwing disabled people out of toilets and shouting at children ffs.

What a fantastic statement from Helen Steel - such clarity even though she must be terrified.

Its actually got me raising my head above the parapet on facebook now (which is scary)