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Helen Steel's statement about being assaulted on Saturday

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christinarossetti · 02/11/2017 20:05

Wanted to start a new thread about this because it's so important.

Helen's statement is on her Facebook page. Search Helen Steel.

What happened on Saturday was horrific. Sharing her statement and messages of support much appreciated.

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AssignedPerfectAtBirth · 05/11/2017 17:50

"in which our comrades may be glamorous and beautiful without compromise!"

Fuck the fuck off with this bullshit and even more fuck off to the abuse enabling women who support these fuckwits.

LineysRun · 05/11/2017 17:40

Helen Steel has been a heroine of mine since she taught me not to give my dinner money to bullies in my early teens (McLibel)

Ditto

hipsterfun · 05/11/2017 17:37

I don’t really do ‘glamour’ in the sense I imagine they mean. Perhaps I’ll be sent for re-education Grin

Bucketsandspoons · 05/11/2017 17:36

'love all of our feminists' so long as they do what they're told at all times.

Bucketsandspoons · 05/11/2017 17:35

Quite. One wonders what happens to 'cis' people, particularly women, in this idyll. Since this 'anarchism' is actually extreme authoritarianism and fascism in its control of what may or may not be said or where people may set their boundaries, it's incoherent in the extreme.

Which reinforces yet again this is about some extremely troubled people with far too much time on their hands who have lost all contact with reality.

pisacake · 05/11/2017 17:34

They started this worthy petition www.change.org/p/provide-free-sanitary-products-in-uk-schools-periodpotential, but they insisted on distracting people from signing it by making it about trans

"All comments after this one criticising our decision to use gender neutral language will be deleted.

It is important to us that we are intersectional and love all of our feminists. You are safe here."

OlennasWimple · 05/11/2017 17:30

What about people who don't want to be (conventionally) glamorous and beautiful? Is that going to be allowed in the New World?

Datun · 05/11/2017 17:17

Good Lord.

I’ve seen a lot of insane things around this issue, but that takes the biscuit.

What is the profile of the people involved? I imagine they are high up in the privilege stakes.

PencilsInSpace · 05/11/2017 17:14

Ah thanks, pisa.

pisacake · 05/11/2017 17:09

Apparently there is such a thing as tranarchism

"As tranarchists, we believe that the patriarchal heteronormative cisnormative state-capitalist establishment is directly responsible for the oppression of transgender individuals and therefore must be destroyed. The revolutionary tranarchist platform seeks to build a fabulous society (the trans world order) in which our comrades may be glamorous and beautiful without compromise!"

www.reddit.com/r/tranarchism/

Also anarchafeminism

anarchalibrary.blogspot.co.uk/2010/10/anarchism-101-anarchafeminism-2008.html

The argument appears to be that as an anarchist you are opposed to all sorts of authority, including inconvenient things like biology.

So the people smashing up cafés are anarchists and are sympathetic to trans because trans are also smashing up boundaries.

The 4th wave women and Class War appear to have links, there's not much distance between. twitter.com/Classwar2015
www.classwarparty.org.uk/event/fourth-wave-london-feminist-activists-group-meeting/

hipsterfun · 05/11/2017 17:03

Class War Women’s Death Brigade. Blimey.

PencilsInSpace · 05/11/2017 16:57

I'm confused. Are 4th wave definitely linked to Class War?

There have been quite a few protests by various groups at the ripper museum since it was first proposed.The developers told the planning department it would be a museum of women's history. AFAIK there have been protests by both class war women's death brigade and by 4th wave but they're not the same org.

Datun · 05/11/2017 16:42

They object to a cafe selling expensive cereal? Because it’s indicative of the gentrification of areas and prices going up?

And they’re trans inclusive? Quite heavily?

And some of these are women? Calling themselves 4th wave feminists?

Sorry for all the Questionmarks

pisacake · 05/11/2017 16:39

I think it's like this:

The Ripper protesters are violent people who like smashing things up, which they did for instance, to a café selling cereal in 2015 (same group). www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/27/shoreditch-cereal-cafe-targeted-by-anti-gentrification-protesters

TRAs also like violence, so the overlap between between TRAs and café-smashing anarchists is around 100%.

Datun · 05/11/2017 16:32

Yeah, I’ve had a look at the links, and I must admit, I’m still a bit bewildered.

OlennasWimple · 05/11/2017 16:30

I'm confused - why were TRAs protesting outside the Ripper museum?

pisacake · 05/11/2017 14:19

it was literally the barman who happened to be a special constable as well. they are warning everybody not to go into the 'scab pub'.

AssignedPerfectAtBirth · 05/11/2017 14:09

By the look of the photos it was 4 men, a few questionables and a scabby dug. When the police turned up, they blamed it on TERFs and an undercover cop who was working in a nearby pub. Cos they are organised and police are watching them

Delusional fuckwittery at its finest

pisacake · 05/11/2017 14:00

apparently people were discussing 'sex work' and 'transgender issues' too much, so they banned the discussion so they could get on with more important topics

thejarbelles.com/2016/03/20/an-interview-with-alexandra-becker-founder-of-fourth-wave-london-feminist-activists/

Now they say "New Cross Learning is holding a terf "debate" of the Gender Recognition Act on Weds 13th September. There's no "every opinion is valid" and no "silencing terfs is as bad as silencing trans people". Bore off with that nonsense and make lives difficult for terfs and people who give terfs a platform." www.facebook.com/fourthwaveLFA/posts/1458309054253364

So their plan to avoid divisive discussion and unite feminists is to, er, silence feminists, and cheer on men beating up women.

HornyTortoise · 05/11/2017 13:46

Wow those '4th wave feminists' seem to be quite scary overall. Definitely not what I would call 'feminists' anyway, especially if they are encouraging violence against women simply for having opinions.

BlackForestCake · 05/11/2017 13:37

There’s apparently a Jack the Ripper “museum” in London which you could view as something that glorifies violence against women.

pisacake · 05/11/2017 13:35

From what I can see there was a violent protest against the Ripper Museum organised by some of the young anarchist types, which annoyed lots of local businesses who called the police. Entirely incidental to this the man who attacked Maria MacLachlan was spotted there and the police were informed that this was a wanted person and he was arrested.

This was somehow twisted into 'TERFs shutdown a peaceful protest against the Ripper Museum'.

The protest seems to involve the '4th wave feminist' people twitter.com/radowitzky57/status/927133458597662720. These are the group who wear masks and say that if you don't accept men as women then that's verbal violence and you deserve to be attacked for it.

There have been quite a few protests at this place, these are the violent types who set fire to businesses for selling cereal and what not, and the police have been out in force before mashable.com/2015/10/04/protest-jack-the-ripper-museum/

But obviously it's all the fault of TERFs. Everything. Ever.

HornyTortoise · 05/11/2017 13:24

Whats this Ripper Museum thing about?

Surprised if theres been yet another event/venue hijacked that theres not a thread about it

AssignedPerfectAtBirth · 05/11/2017 12:57

Probably the same little dweep who said that she was glad they attacked Maria. Her mother must be so proud

Datun · 05/11/2017 12:50

“released pending further enquiries” apparently.

That idiot is spinning it.