Gender ID Bill-bad for trans too?

What I mean is, the elimination of criteria means you don’t have to have gender dysphoria to be trans. It doesn’t say that gender dysphoria doesn’t exist.

It’s a win/win for men who want the hormones, but don’t have the illness, just a fetish. But can pretend to have the illness to get the hormones. They don’t have to live as a woman for two years, or anything.

Historically men with autogynephilia were denied treatment. But they got round it, by pretending they had gender dysphoria. (tips and tricks on how to deceive your therapist were rife online). But they still weren’t considered transgender unless they went through the two year process. Which really doesn’t work for someone who wants to be Susie on a Saturday night, but Mark in accounts again on Monday morning.

This way they get to have their cake and eat it too.

There is no way transactivists have not thought this through to the nth degree.

Self identification benefit AGP individuals only. And that is who is driving it.

In terms of accessing treatment, which a lot of them will still want, I’ve been thinking about it.

The whole legal issue is around the terms gender and transgender. Not gender dysphoria.

So I can see a situation where they will absolutely get treatment if they present as having gender dysphoria. But legally, can be perfectly legitimate transgender without any gatekeeping.

I’m gender dysphoric, I need feminisation hormones. Okay, here you are.

Meanwhile, I’m instantly transgender every time I need validation and/or want access to the ladies.

Stopmakingsense, I am in the same position as you, except my daughter is 15 .

It might help your understanding OP if you google the term truscum, both its meaning and as it is used by trans rights activists. You might want to swerve around SJWiki.

This type of googling might not be compatible with your employer's Internet use policy.

differenteverytime raises an important point. Not all trans people are equal. Different communities sit under the trans umbrella and they are not all fey 16 year old boys/crop-haired sensibly clad 16 year old girls who wouldn't hurt a fly. There are some dodgy groups in the world of trans who wouldn't hesitate for a second in throwing other groups of trans people under the bus.

Her theory being, if we dispense with the view that it is a disorder then we don't need to provide treatment.

I have thought of this before, when pondering why the Tories would be all for this bill. I can't figure out if its just because they hate women, because they wish to 'expand their membership' so to speak by reaching liberals also...or because they want to cut the NHS bill even more, which this would certainly do as they really could refuse to give out hormones and such as 'transition' is not needed at all surely...assuming the bill goes through

Possibly all 3.

It will definitely negatively impact transsexual people.

However - speaking as a parent of a trans-identifying autistic young adult - I am conflicted by the proposed legislation. If she can survive a few more years without hormones or surgery, I know she will be OK, and won't ultimately do it. I am hoping the whole toxic edifice will collapse by then (thanks in no small part to fab women on here). If being able to self-identify is a means of living her life using whatever pronouns she wants in the meantime, without having to prove anything more, then I am glad of that. That is an entirely selfish point of view, know.

Of all the myriad groups now gathered under the ever-expanding trans umbrella, the only group who will actually benefit from this is the lady dick brigade.

On the one hand an affirmation-only model is developing, where parents and children are encouraged to consider puberty blockers. Statistically 100% of users of puberty blockers have progressed to cross-sex hormone treatment as adults.

On the other hand, Theresa May wants to 'streamline' and 'demedicalise' the process of legally changing one's sex. Literally a form and it's done.

How does that add up? The only thing I can think of is that those who are truly desperate for treatment (counselling or physical) will resort to the private sector. This may well include parents of children who have been told their child will kill themselves if they don't have physical treatment. Meanwhile, those who don't mind their bodies remaining as they are will find the process much simpler.

In other words, a voyeur who fancies stripping off and having a good look in the women's changing rooms, or a convicted rapist who pleads trans to be moved into a women's prison, will be better served by these changes than a vulnerable person of the group who in the past was called 'transsexual', who needs counselling and may be desperate for hormones and surgery.

Your friend is not wrong. It will also (and is already) further prevent people from having any sort of counseling or mental health treatment related to their dysphoria.

A cynic might say that this is why the government is all for it, it would bean excellent cost cutting exercise.