R4 Today programme have an item on later about children and gender dysphoria.

And funnily enough, they haven’t picked apart his physical appearance and suggested that the only reason he is complaining is because he can’t get laid. Followed up by who’d want to lay him anyway.

The comparisons with what Jenni Murray had to put up with are stark.

It is interesting. Helpfully underlines the latent misogyny of most of the abuse.

Or indeed suggested he should lose his job at Imperial College or no longer appear on the BBC. Funny that

Datun I read that feed last night and thought yep no one's yet threatened to punch or rape him, or suggested he should be dead.

I’m struck by the fact that he is not being treated to the sort of vitriol that women are treated to when they question the ideology.

Although they are picking holes in his terminology and telling him he’s not qualified to talk and knows nothing, he’s not getting the usual threats and insults.

Quentin agreed. Tho great to see some sensible people supporting facts on the Twitter feed too.
It’s seeming more and more like blasphemy if anyone dares to ask what could go wrong or point out some facts.
Which is a very scary climate when it comes to medical decisions for children which could affect their lives in childhood and adulthood permanently. What happened to trying to protect children’s right to an open future?

Oh dear Lord
mobile.twitter.com/ProfRWinston/status/926033969975562246

The reddit thread is bizarre really. More towards the end, with the activists deciding that it was fake and really just an infiltration of 'terfs' because of course, noone ever really wants to detransition and noone really questions the speed with which children are shoved onto blockers and such

It seems to be becoming harder and harder for them to pretend 'regretters' do not exist. Doesn;t help with prominent experts speaking on the topic freely now either. The tide is turning. I just feel sorry for all of the kids who have been caught up in it all and are now sterile and pretty fucked up.

Why wasn't 'she' campaigning for women's rights instead.

This is why I sooo very badly want people talking about it.

It implodes in a puff of smoke.

They know it, we know it.

#nodebate

It's the crazy world of Tumblr.

Johnson described himself as a gay transvestite. But if he we determine he only had sex with men, then in fact he's not a gay at all, since GLAAD says he is not a transvestite but a 'transgender woman'. Which would make him a heterosexual woman.

And as a heterosexual woman, spending all that time campaigning for gay liberation looks a bit odd doesn't it. Must have been terribly confused. Why wasn't 'she' campaigning for women's rights instead.

I mean it's all magical gay trans icons for everyone.

Marsha P Johnson is now defined as a 'transwoman'.
So if 'she' had a biologically male 'husband' and also had sex with other 'transwomen' then 'she' was bi.
But if we say that akshully 'her' 'husband' was 'transwoman' just 'outdated historical language' then that means 'she' was a 'lesbian'

I mean Johnson could have literally sucked 1000 cocks and had no interest whatsoever in vaginas, but you can still magically turn him into a lesbian or bi.

Hence sexual orientation is made completely obsolete, because who cares about genitals amirite?

I mean for fuck's sake, this is not complicated really is it.

If you stick your penis in a man's anus, that is a homosexual male relationship.

If you do it while wearing a dress, that is still a homosexual male relationship, not heterosexual.

If both people doing it wearing a dress that is still a homosexual male relationship, not lesbian.

Actually it's not just GLAAD that wants to erase Marsha Johnson's sexual identity.

From Tumblr:

"Sylvia Rivera and Marsha P Johnson were bisexual. Ive seen a number of trans lesbians claim they were lesbians, and thats not true, they were bisexual. I live with one of Sylvia's former lovers, who was a part of STAR and lived at transie house. Could you please let folks know about this bi erasure?"

Johnson himself referred to his 'husband'.

Also Sylvia Rivera is a 'lesbian' despite his (Rivera's) own statement

“People now want to call me a lesbian because I’m with Julia [his mtf partner], and I say, “No. I’m just me. I’m not a lesbian.” I’m tired of being labeled. I don’t even like the label transgender. "’

So essentially what you have is a whole bunch of autogynephiliac heterosexual men determined to entirely erase effeminate gay sexuality. If two tranvestites who described themselves as 'drag queens' had sex with each other that makes them 'translesbians', and therefore exactly the same as a man who has spent 30 years married to a woman but gets his kicks wanking in women's clothes who is also a 'translesbian'.

Bollocks, total bollocks.

• homosexuality. Although it eliminates heterosexuality as well.

Why does GLAAD want to erase Johnson's sexual orientation?

Stonewall. It's to turn Stonewall into a trans battle and to make what flowed from it into trans achievements. This means Stonewall the organisation has to have trans at its heart. Which makes the attachment of T to LGB more secure.

Why does GLAAD want to erase Johnson's sexual orientation? Johnson was a gay campaigner for gay people. How can you discuss him without focusing on his sexual orientation?

Because transactivists have taken over everything. It’s necessary to eliminate heterosexuality so that men can be lesbians.

If there’s one thing that this has taught me it’s that cross dressing men are two a penny. They outnumber gays and transsexuals.

And many of them are powerful and successful. And rich.

Somehow gay identity has been erased, so you get ridiculous creatures like Hannah Mouncey who is 100kg/190cm of muscle and who boasts about hitting women as hard as he can and describes himself as a 'lesbian'. In other words he is a heterosexual man.

There's really nothing whatsoever in common between Marsha P Johnson:

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who was a man who had sex exclusively with men and whose body was found in the Hudson river

And Hannah Mouncey:

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who wants the right to beat up women in AFL and has sex with women.

Why does GLAAD want to erase Johnson's sexual orientation? Johnson was a gay campaigner for gay people. How can you discuss him without focusing on his sexual orientation?

pisacake

Fuck me! That crib sheet!!!!

I can’t even. There is no hiding it. They blatantly come right out and exhort people to lie.

DON'T speculate about medical procedures transgender people may or may not choose to undertake as part of their transition. A transgender identity is not dependent on medical procedures. Overemphasizing the medical aspects of a person's transition objectifies transgender people, and prevents the public from seeing the transgender person as a whole person.

Don’t let people know we’re really straight men with fully functioning penises.

Here's another posthumous transing.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-41611994

Marsha P Johnson was gay and referred to himself as a drag queen and a transvestite.

That was something that was at one time understood - there are effeminate gay men, but the defining thing is that they are GAY MEN. Not women. A bloke who was a bit camp and a bloke in a dress were both gay blokes.

However, GLAAD issued a 'tip sheet' when a documentary about him was released.

www.glaad.org/blog/tip-sheet-journalists-covering-death-and-life-marsha-p-johnson

" The film makes extensive use of historic footage that includes archaic terminology and language that is no longer considered accurate or respectful when writing about transgender people."

"DON'T refer to them using the archaic language you hear in the historical footage. Do not describe them as drag queens, female impersonators, transvestites, transsexuals, etc."

"DO refer to the gender identity of the transgender women, not their sexual orientation. Gender identity is one's own internal, deeply held sense of being male or female (or perhaps something other than those two terms.) Sexual orientation is who one is attracted to. They are not the same thing and should not be conflated or confused. The transgender women in the film are living as women because of their gender identity – not because of their sexual orientation."

Marsha P Johnson was part of the Stonewall movement which was then about being gay. It was not about company directors dressing up as women on alternate Tuesdays or decathletes who wanked off over their daughter's underwear.

He was part of STAR 'Street Transvestite Action Revolutionaries'.

He said "We want to see all gay people have a chance, equal rights, as straight people have in America. We don't want to see gay people picked up on the streets for things like loitering or having sex" "We'd like to see our gay brothers and sisters out of jail on the streets again."

"We still feel oppression by other gay brothers. Gay sisters don't think too bad of transvestites. Gay brothers do.""The only transvestites they were very friendly with were the ones that looked freaky in drag, like freak drag, with no tits" "Once in a while I get an invitation to the Daughters of Bilitis [lesbian civil rights group] and when I go there they're always warm."

"A lot of gay brothers don't like women! And transvestites remind you of women."

"A lot of the times I pick up men, and they think I'm a woman and then they try to rob me" "I told this young soldier I was a boy and he didn't believe it"

(This interview is dated 1990, 2 years before Johnson's death.)

First two paras of the article linked to above. Incredibly important points about girls needing strong female role models.

Transing the dead - article with examples

What posthumous transing is that then itsallgoing?

Hit post too soon,

And including the intensely irritating posthumous transing of historical figures.