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Patriarchy

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DaisyRaine90 · 27/10/2017 00:21

Is it really so bad to have a patriarchal household??

I mean, feminism is about equality right so it should be 50:50 in diff households ??

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Battleax · 27/10/2017 03:14

read a post in here a few week back about what feminists think is feminisms number one cause and answers to the affect of "destroying the patriarchy"... I would like to know what that means in the western world? What do people who say this actually mean? how in the uk do you think it manifests itself? Do you have actual examples?

Sexual harassment culture is a great example. It's patriarchal for society to look away from behaviours such as HW's.

The fact that most single parents are women and most single parents receive little or no child support is another. It's structurally patriarchal to fail to address parenting inequalities with appropriate policy. Sky high childcare costs are another example.

MrsTerryPratchett · 27/10/2017 03:00

@LassWiTheDelicateAir it plummets generally for women, not just those who take career breaks.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 27/10/2017 02:59

Women upto age of 30 on average earn more than men in the U.K
Only slightly. Then it plummets when they have children

Well yes- if you aren't actually in work or only working part time your wage will go down.

MrsTerryPratchett · 27/10/2017 01:59

I would have thought that was quite feminist but apparently not??

According to who?

IfyouseeRitaMoreno · 27/10/2017 01:57

Women upto age of 30 on average earn more than men in the U.K
Only slightly. Then it plummets when they have children.

Why don't we want to be fork lift truck drivers, refuse collectors, builders... why don't we want equality here?
Same reason men don’t want to be toilet cleaners I guess.

I'm grateful for the men that have died for the things we take for granted.
Yes, whilst fighting against other men who wanted to take away said things and kill lots of people in the process.
Besides women weren’t allowed.

"look around you patriarchy isn't working". ... in what way?

War, rape, general violence.

DaisyRaine90 · 27/10/2017 01:54

My DP does most of the housework and we share the child rearing and cooking.

I would have thought that was quite feminist but apparently not??

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MrsTerryPratchett · 27/10/2017 01:50

@Missymoo100 two words: Harvey Weinstein. Media, power, inequality and justice all bundled up for you.

OP my childhood home was a feminist one. No one ‘in charge’, choices made based on everyone’s needs and equal chores/work.

LineysRun · 27/10/2017 01:50

Yeah, right Hmm

Missymoo100 · 27/10/2017 01:33

I read a post in here a few week back about what feminists think is feminisms number one cause and answers to the affect of "destroying the patriarchy"... I would like to know what that means in the western world? What do people who say this actually mean? how in the uk do you think it manifests itself? Do you have actual examples? All I hear supporting this notion is that only x% of women are in boardrooms... which ignores lifestyle choices women make, i.e. Having children- and undermines the fact many women want this, I want this, I am not a victim of patriarchy I know my own mind. Women upto age of 30 on average earn more than men in the U.K., they make up a larger percentage of graduates, they attain better grades. Why the obsession with the board room? Why don't we want to be fork lift truck drivers, refuse collectors, builders... why don't we want equality here?
I think there are womens issues such as lack of maternity cover in USA, honour based violence in U.K. That get hardly any coverage... but so much focus on male privilege/toxic masculinity. I watched a programme on tv tonight where someone was saying "look around you patriarchy isn't working". ... in what way? I don't feel hard done by as a woman living in uk, I'm grateful for the contribution men make to society, how they do dangerous jobs women don't want, I'm grateful for the men that have died for the things we take for granted.
I am not going to bring my daughters up telling them they will never amount to anything, they must play out the victim role, because the "patriarchy" is against them, because it isn't true! they can achieve anything they want.
I'd like facts on patriarchy because I don't believe it is as big of a problem as it's made out to be, and to what extent it actually plays out?
I recognise it has been an issue in the past and I'm happy that women fought back, but surely the battles largely been won in this front? If you disagree where do you see injustice and how do you relate it to patriarchy? How do you thing it should be addressed?

IfyouseeRitaMoreno · 27/10/2017 01:22

I grew up in a feminist household where my mothers needs where always put above everyone else’s as the “matriarch”

That’s not really feminism.

DaisyRaine90 · 27/10/2017 01:18

Like a home with a stronger male head of family than female head?

I grew up in a feminist household where my mothers needs where always put above everyone else’s as the “matriarch”

But is it really so wrong to have a man as the head of a household?

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RebelFreddyVSRogueJason · 27/10/2017 01:01

Say what now?

MrsTerryPratchett · 27/10/2017 00:56

Huh?

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