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Patriarchy

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DaisyRaine90 · 27/10/2017 00:21

Is it really so bad to have a patriarchal household??

I mean, feminism is about equality right so it should be 50:50 in diff households ??

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RebelRogue · 27/10/2017 22:46

Where is this really coming from? Who told you what?
My money is on your mum.

RebelRogue · 27/10/2017 22:45

I let him make the decision.

That’s not unfeminist ,to use your words, it’s family dynamics. As long as you’re happy with your choices , even if those choices are sometimes to let him choose that’s fine.

I picked DD’s name, OH picked her middle name.
OH was strongly against ear piercings, I was fairly meh (even though it’s tradition where I’m from) so followed his lead.
He picked one house which fell through before completion, I found the flat.(where we live now)
He needed a new car,I don’t drive so my only requirement was automatic windows. He got what he wanted/needed.
I wanted a sofa bed,his only requirement was that it was comfortable.
He earns more, I have more savings. We both have access to eachother’s accounts and they’re set up for easy transfers.

And so on.

MrsTerryPratchett · 27/10/2017 22:24

Oh yeah. There’s also his perspective. And his oversight of this thread is... interesting.

BertrandRussell · 27/10/2017 22:20

If he makes the decisions because he is a controlling arse, however........

MrsTerryPratchett · 27/10/2017 22:19

I don’t understand it either. You are happy, he’s happy, everything works out.

If you allow him to make all the decisions because men are better at decisions; that’s sexist.

If you are just used to being dominated because of your DM and you’re comfy there; your choice, no sexism involved.

BertrandRussell · 27/10/2017 22:14

I don't understand this thread at all.

HerSymphonyAndSong · 27/10/2017 22:06

WHy are you having to fight battles with him though?

AssassinatedBeauty · 27/10/2017 21:20

It's nothing to do with feminism, it's about relationship dynamics.

Is there nothing that you agree on together, between you? Rather than one person deciding and the other not having much input?

DaisyRaine90 · 27/10/2017 21:02

Unfeminist I meant

I appreciate that’s not a real word 😊

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DaisyRaine90 · 27/10/2017 21:02

Does that make me in-feminist?

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DaisyRaine90 · 27/10/2017 21:01

I could have said no but he found the house etc. He asked my opinion of course, but ultimately it was in the area I wanted and had everything I said I wanted so I let him make the decision.

I chose the babies name, the kids prep school and the home furnishings (and whether we had a dishwasher or not).

He chose the pram, the house and the secondary schools.

I don’t think I’m perpetuating any negative cycle, but I do believe that some people are happier when they don’t have to take responsibility for some of those big decisions.

He has chosen some other traditional things like the year we will get married, but I am choosing the venue, planning it all and the month.

I guess it’s pretty balanced but he does have the final say on some issues which I’m comfortable with.

I can’t imagine being like my Dad, who had no say in anything and eventually that resulted in divorce. I fight battles that need fighting, and I’m choosing the car 😂

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DaisyRaine90 · 27/10/2017 20:52

Joint purchase 😊

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DaisyRaine90 · 27/10/2017 20:51

Not the soul decision no.

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Runningissimple · 27/10/2017 20:07

As pp have said, this isn't a 'feminist' issue. From the little you've said, it sounds like you're recreating the dynamic of your childhood home in your adult home. You spent your childhood being dominated by your mother, now you're being dominated by your husband. I'd break this pattern (I don't mean leave) or you'll go through life being dominated and that kind of sucks.

MrsTerryPratchett · 27/10/2017 20:02

I think most feminists make 'unfeminist' decisions sometimes. I shave my legs. Would I in a feminist utopia? Probably not. I accept that it's a flawed decision to perform femininity when I wouldn't given the choice. But we live in the real world and not all hills are those you die on.

Would I let DH make the sole decision on where we lived? Fuck no.

AssassinatedBeauty · 27/10/2017 19:59

Why, as an adult, would you ever let anyone else make a significant decision for you? It's an odd thing to do. As two adults that are equal in a relationship, my DP and me discuss any large decisions between us and agree on what is best for all of us. There's no winning or losing, or keeping track of wins/losses.

With the house purchase, are you a joint purchaser with your husband, or is it in his name only?

SpookghosttiAndMeatboos · 27/10/2017 19:40

Having said that, thinking about it, he did once come home with a red sports car (we'd discussed budget, but not actual car).. which I told him would be nothing but trouble, and so was his car and I'd use the other one. Reader, I was right. 3 months later it blew up half-way up the hill to home... of course I helped him out, and in the end we didn't lose too much when we traded it in for something that was much more sensible for our needs. Still, wasn't a head of the household decision - it was a wally who let his excitement over-take his head, and took a good ribbing about it after - so no deference at all.

SpookghosttiAndMeatboos · 27/10/2017 19:36

I think I have a partnership. House purchases we decided together (with either having a veto - although it wasn't needed), but I've moved into a rented house that only he's seen and he's moved into a rented house that only I've seen - not because either of us is head of the household, but because we were very busy, and trust each other to make decisions that the other will be OK with.

Frankly the idea that either of us has a deciding vote over the big decisions terrifies me more than the little stuff! Buying cars and things we go into together (although I indulge him if he has some great desire, and we have enough money, as long as it meets my needs and requirements too). Moving country etc. decided together.

I suppose thinking about it, we assume each has good reasons, we discuss stuff, and it's more that we each have a veto rather than either of us can assert a positive over the other - eg. I could say 'we're not having a dog' and he couldn't say 'yes we bloody are' and just do it - and in return the same from me.

I honestly find the idea that because he earns more money than me (right now, this hasn't always been, and won't always be the case) he gets to override me, completely baffling. I'd be a pretty annoyed if he that over our choice of lunch venue, let alone something that actually matters!

Battleax · 27/10/2017 19:24

I’m asking if you can be ever be a feminist And let a man a) be the main breadwinner

Of course.

and b) make some of the big decisions financially.

I honestly can't grasp how big decisions could be anything but joint.

How does it work? "I've chosen a house darling, we move in sometime end of next month"? I can't fathom one adult making major decisions that fundamentally affect two adults without some kind of discussion. It sounds quite lonely. So, yes, you've stumped me there. But I'm not sure it's anything to do with feminism. It just sounds strange and artificial.

RebelFreddyVSRogueJason · 27/10/2017 19:16

So your main issue was him picking/buying a house with very little or no input from you?

HerSymphonyAndSong · 27/10/2017 19:11

I think this is why I don’t really understand this thread. I don’t recognise the “winning/losing” big/small “battles”. It just doesn’t happen. We express ourselves and discuss things and come to joint conclusions, it’s not
Me vs. Him and keeping score to make sure we “win” evenly.

Your problem OP seems to be that you think that it either must be Man In Charge or Woman In Charge and everyone else must kowtow to whomever it is. I just don’t see that in my relationship; we are a partnership and each of our opinions has equal weight. No one “wins battles”

BorisTrumpsLair · 27/10/2017 19:10

I am reading a fabulous book ATM called "the Creation of Patriarchy" by Gerda Lerner.

Thoroughly recommend it for an explanation of it all.

DaisyRaine90 · 27/10/2017 19:06

Plus I’ll have my own office/reading room, space for a piano and he’s building me a home gym so I think he deserves a medal on that one. He picked the house but made sure I got all the things I wanted in it 😊

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DaisyRaine90 · 27/10/2017 19:04

I’m asking if you can be ever be a feminist And let a man a) be the main breadwinner and b) make some of the big decisions financially.

I am very happy with my partner.
We argue constantly but then we are both strong characters and love a debate.

We talked about this thread though and he said I’m phrasing things badly.

Also, he thinks I make more decisions than him because although the big financial decisions are his, I have more say in the children’s upbringing and small purchases.

Also, a lot of what he’s doing now is to support my future career by giving me the opportunity to study.

I think this was kind of theoretical for the most part because it’s the first time in my life I have ever let a man make a decision for me. Maybe I’m coming round to it being an open debate and therefore sometimes his point wins out as it has more merit.

As a Previous post said, it’s whoever has the biggest stake who wins out.

I win most of the little battles but he’s won two bigger ones recently.

I’m in love with the new house though he made a good choice 😊

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IfyouseeRitaMoreno · 27/10/2017 16:55

OP, I think you sound a bit unhappy with your relationship but are convincing yourself that it’s ok because a) he’s the breadwinner and b) your mum has given you a bad idea of what feminism is.

But I’ll say this again, your Mum is not a feminist. Feminism is not about belittling men and exposing their incompetence (no matter what the media would have us believe). It is about equality short and simple. Equality of opportunity, equality of value, and equality of having your voice heard.

Your voice isn’t being heard by your husband. He doesn’t get to be the head because he is the breadwinner. He is as dependent on you as you are on him. He couldn’t work without the support you provide him. My mum has always been a SAHM. My dad respects the work that she does and vice versa. They are equals.

Wake up and smell the inequality, OP.

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