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Regardless of colour, do you think women's clothes are designed to make women look ridiculous?

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wrappedupinmyselflikeaspool · 26/10/2017 09:09

I notice it more and more as I get older and I certainly used to wear ridiculous clothes myself when I was younger, but I don't think the same applies to menswear.
I look around on the street, on the train etc. And notice that a majority of women's body shapes do not suit the way women's clothing is designed to be tight and body hugging, stretchy, bright, cut out, cut up, decorative and ornamented. Heels, make up and dyed and teased hair add to an overall slightly comic effect. The women have to fit the clothes not the other way round. A minority of women look goodish in this get up and a minority wear t shirt and trousers and flats, as the men do.
Menswear in comparison is mostly practical shirts, trousers, jumpers, flat shoes. I started buying jumpers and socks and occasionally shirts from the menswear section a while ago. They are so much nicer.

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SomeDyke · 28/10/2017 15:11

To all of those posters who think women's clothes must be okay cos else we're saying women are stupid for wearing them - do you really our foremothers were stupid for wearing the daft fashions of the Victorian age? Hopefully not, but if you think the sixties ended the era of daft or constricting women's clothing you are wrong. It's like listening to my teenage self before I understood feminism but when you ask why do women do this\put up with this, you first think they must be stupid before you realise it isn't that simple or their fault for making daft choices........ Of course advantageous for the menz to keep the either we are daft for choosing it, or LUCKY because we get to be pretty in pink and they don't.............

wrappedupinmyselflikeaspool · 28/10/2017 15:06

I'm perfectly calm thank you Lass, but your comment came over a little paranoid.

I'm just not interested in entering into personal arguments with random internet people. I like an argument but I have found some of your comments too personal. You are entitled to your opinions and this is a public forum but I'm not under any obligation to agree or respond. I think you might be taking my comments a little too personally. They are not intended thus.

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YetAnotherSpartacus · 28/10/2017 15:06

Put it this way - when shopping for men I never see 'stretch'. Why just for women? Or, more to the point, why do I have to hunt for non stretch fabrics for me why they are the norm for him?

YetAnotherSpartacus · 28/10/2017 15:04

I personally don't give a shit about 'shape'. I just want coverage and comfort. Artificial fabrics make me itch and feel claustrophobic. In summer they are too hot. In winter they are still too hot in artificial climates.

tectonicplates · 28/10/2017 14:59

Why are so many people against the use of stretchy fabric? I have a large bust and if it wasn't for stretch, I wouldn't be able to buy any tops. I've tried on non-stretch t-shirts and they look ridiculous on me - if it fits my bust then it's too large everywhere else and looks like an unflattering tent. I have never, ever found a non-stretch top that's anywhere near my shape. I'm on several buying and selling groups and if clothes are advertised for sale, one of the frequently asked questions is whether it has enough stretch or not.

0hCrepe · 28/10/2017 14:50

Basically you've put forward your dislike of fashion or bad fashion sense and then played the feminism card to try and add more weight to what you're saying and silence people who don't agree with you. I'm a feminist and I disagree with you and am saying so. I'm allowed to put forward my view on thrust thread and feel compelled to do so when I see women being portrayed as unable to make sensible choices.
If you can't give credit to women for being able to choose their own clothing then of course you're insinuating they're stupid, either by being led only to please men or by being indoctrinated by the patriarchy to dress a certain way. Do enlightened women only wear practical clothes then? Can they not appreciate beauty and express it through clothing if they so choose?
Sexist or oppressive dress codes, yes but women choosing clothing you don't happen to like, no.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 28/10/2017 14:47

I don't want much. Just clothes in natural fibres and no 'stretch'. Fabrics that are durable and can be machine washed. Waists that come up to actual waists. Shoes that have ankle and arch sport. Nothing tight or constricting (I like clothes you can eat in). I struggle to find comfy clothes these days.

RebelRogue · 28/10/2017 14:35

Oh and I end up putting change and small bits in my pockets (when I have them) anyways as it’s less faff.

RebelRogue · 28/10/2017 14:31

I guess it depends how many things you tend to carry. If I’m not working all I have is phone,wallet,keys and fags.

noeffingidea · 28/10/2017 13:55

Most women carry shoulder or handbags anyway. The manbag thing never really caught on, so I can see why mens clothes have pockets.
Personally I'm a bit paranoid about losing things or being, well, pickpocketed, so I prefer carrying a bag of some sort with lots of interior zipped up pockets and secret compartments.
Unless I'm wearing my winter parka, but that has quite a few inside zip up pockets.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 28/10/2017 13:44

As for pockets in clothes, I'm not bothered. I'd rather carry my things around in a shoulder bag or backpack. I don't think pockets are particularly safe

Yes me too. A cross body bag seems far safer and more practical than stuffing things into a variety of pockets.

otherdoor · 28/10/2017 13:38

Interesting thread. I sort of agree in principle, although I must be unusual because I find that the comfiest item of clothing is a dress. And I've never found tights uncomfortable at all, I'm very glad of them or my legs would be freezing! I also find doc martens and ballet flats very uncomfortable, and Birkenstocks are the absolute worst of all - uncomfortable AND my feet were cold.

noeffingidea · 28/10/2017 13:38

No, I don't OP.
I live in leggings, long tunic type tops, or maxi dresses, always wear flat comfortable shoes. Can't get more comfortable than that.
The only exception would be a dress code which imposes high heels, which should be illegal, IMO. In any case, very formal dress codes tend to disadvantage men as well. Who wants to wear a suit, shirt and tie with leather lace up shoes in hot weather? I certainly don't.
The other exception is nylon tights and stockings, which are completely pointless garments, IMO. Again, unless you work in a corporate enviroment with a formal dress code there is really no need to wear these unless you want to.
As for pockets in clothes, I'm not bothered. I'd rather carry my things around in a shoulder bag or backpack. I don't think pockets are particularly safe.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 28/10/2017 12:50

And I absolutely don't think women are thick, what a horrible thing to say!

May be not but there is a tone in these type of threads. All the hyperbole about women's clothes being silly or impractical or uncomfortable or poorly made.

Or the snide comment some one made about being unable to fathom why other women would wear a style of footwear a poster didn't like. Then add the pity about how women are culturally compelled to go along with this (unlike the posters who are above all this)

OlennasWimple · 28/10/2017 12:35

Ah, see Cos stuff hangs on me like a sack. Definitely not flattering to me

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 28/10/2017 12:26

wrappedupinmyselflikeaspool

Oh calm down
. I had no idea what you were on about. I don't follow the vagaries of fashion which apparently you do.

wrappedupinmyselflikeaspool · 28/10/2017 12:05

Thanks for the pics rebel. Those are really bizarre! The first pic top left is pretty much a winter coat.

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RebelRogue · 28/10/2017 11:28

Ok,not exactly winter coats, but what’s the bloody point?

Regardless of colour, do you think women's clothes are designed to make women look ridiculous?
wrappedupinmyselflikeaspool · 28/10/2017 11:24

Rebel I haven't seen a cold shoulder coat, where did you see such a thing?

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wrappedupinmyselflikeaspool · 28/10/2017 11:22

Wow! Firstly Lass, no that's not at all about you, it's about jumpers with no shoulders! Thanks Rebel yes that's exactly what I mean.

Secondly Crepe I don't share your enthusiasm for choice, being perhaps more suspicious of neo-liberalism. And I absolutely don't think women are thick, what a horrible thing to say! I do think they are presented with a range of options that are typically a bit shit, deeply impractical and often badly made. I've worn all sort of clothes in my life it's just an observation as I've got older and less interested in fashion and more interested in other things than women's wear, often even clothes that are supposed to be practical like jackets and trousers, has a layer of absurdity to it that menswear doesn't have. This is cultural, gendered, and this is the feminist chat board. Hope that clears things up for you? No animosity on my part but I did find that comment quite insulting. It's hard sometimes with text because you can't hear the tone of voice.

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0hCrepe · 28/10/2017 10:55

I pity men more with such little choice. So many of them jump at the chance to dress up for fun the deprived souls. In the past they could be quite fancy but now the range is so limited.
There's such a huge range for women you can find anything really. I guess you're saying some women are a bit thick and can't think rationally for themselves.
I love wearing clothes I think look beautiful and fwiw hate the look of bulky pockets though I do tend to use them when they're there. I'm always comfortable.
My husband's pockets on the other hand are completely useless. As soon as he sits down there's the familiar clunk as his phone slips onto the floor and the jangle of change running between the sofa cushions.

RebelRogue · 28/10/2017 10:36

@LassWiTheDelicateAir i assume OP refers to the trend of tops with no shoulders thing. Summer clothes i kinda get, but it goes further to jumpers, long sleeved tops, knitted dresses ,even coats.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 28/10/2017 10:29

I'm not getting your "cold shoulder" point - whether literally or metaphorically.

wrappedupinmyselflikeaspool · 28/10/2017 10:24

Just revisiting this thread, it's run on hasn't it? Very interesting. As my final offering I have two words: cold shoulder.

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LassWiTheDelicateAir · 28/10/2017 01:57

There is a ridiculousness to very feminine clothing - it's one of the reasons why drag queens remain popular and drag kings aren't much of a thing

Very feminine clothing is not ridiculous. You might not like it and you are free not to like it but can we please cut out this sneering language?

I dress in a very feminine way. It does not make me ridiculous.