Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Organising this fight.

58 replies

TitaniasCloset · 22/10/2017 00:55

On another thread I have been wondering if we can't organise and fight this fight properly.

I'm hoping this thread can be a space for us to organise and think about what we do next and throw out ideas.

I think we need a central website that will have a name that's also appealing to non feminists.

As in the other thread , I'm happy to open my home as a point to chat and organise. I'm in south London.

I also think we should have a social media campaign and as many of us as possible make videos for our social media accounts, even if you are crap at this as I am, I can't edit or anything. So long as you feel able.

We need to put together ten points at least for this. The first five of which need to be snappy and appeal to most women if people want to make shorter videos.

There is no point preaching to the choir, we need to have this simplified and slick enough to appeal to women like my sister who is working class as I am and just ignores every bloody thing I send her on this topic.

On the other hand we need to have the intellectual women ready to go with mass media and write their blogs etc.

Also I think the Richie Allen show would be a good place to send someone on, we have to choose who. I would do it but I'm shit at remembering facts and figures really. I'm no intellectual I'm afraid.

I'm a bit pissed tonight do this might not be totally coherent but you know what I'm saying here.

We have to fight back.

OP posts:
BriechonCheese · 22/10/2017 14:30

Yes I think it obviously needs to centre around the original campaigns (and the extraordinarily hard work they have put in).
However to reach more people and for voices not to be dismissed as fringe bigots (which is what is happening on Twitter) and "Terfs" there needs to be cohesion, a solid, combined voice.
Many people who aren't reading about this don't know what transpeople are, if transwomen is a person changing from man to woman or vice versa. They have no idea what MtT, FtM, lesbian erasure etc. means. Yes they can be educated with the great deal of information wonderful women have researched, however we all know most people can't be arsed - they want it in easy to digest, bitesized chunks. It would be damaging to dismiss these people from joining a cause and fighting back.

Knusper · 22/10/2017 14:00

I agree with PPs that it's best to get behind existing groups. Possibly even if we don't 100 percent agree with their tone or approach.

WRT gender self ID coming into law there is no time to organise anything new.

AdalindSchade · 22/10/2017 13:29

I'm not sure someone can just make themselves a 'hub' of a campaign when there is a lot of organising already happening especially when the person is new to the 'scene' and therefore unknown. Better to make contact with people already organising and see what is going on.

BriechonCheese · 22/10/2017 13:12

I think that's what the OP is saying though? The campaigns that already exist are too diffuse and are largely social media based and don't have a "hub".

BriechonCheese · 22/10/2017 13:01

Witch
I think it would engage people who don't know about it or aren't overly internet savvy.
My MIL is 70, she uses the internet but wouldn't be in places that would expose her to this debate. She would certainly search and get involved if she came across a sticker in the supermarket loos.

DJBaggySmallpox · 22/10/2017 12:28

I agree with AdalindSchade's posts. Splinter groups are ineffective. We need to work together, with the clear aim of protecting the legal definition of biological sex.

WitchBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe · 22/10/2017 12:20

Briech I like the idea of the stickers as a way to get the basic info out there. Much like the rape crisis ones you see all over in women's toilets.

AdalindSchade · 22/10/2017 11:58

www.facebook.com/womansplaceuk/
sages.org.uk/

BriechonCheese · 22/10/2017 11:57

I love most of what I've read in the links above but I think a lot more needs to be presented in basic terms so it is accessible to people who are put off by the traditional "branding" (for want of a better word).

I started talking about being gender critical to my MIL the other day and she was very dismissive. However eventually we got talking about transwomen on women's hospital wards (she is a former nurse who has just been in hospital) through sheer self identification and she was horrified and her ears soon pricked up to the rest of the conversation.

Would it be an idea to produce stickers and possibly place them in women's spaces?

Something like

WOMENS SPACE
(The sexes are segregated in areas like these - changing rooms, hospital wards, blah, blah for a reason - concisely explained reasoning - this is soon to change. If the law changes (as is proposed) men will be able to identify as women and appear in these spaces when they feel like it. For you to dispute their presence will be treated as a hate crime.)
FIGHT BACK - website/twitter details

AdalindSchade · 22/10/2017 11:54

There are already women organising and fighting and all those gender critical articles you're starting to see in the press? That's because of these women.
Rather than starting drunk ranty threads that are hard to follow why don't you get involved with some of the links you have been given such as a women's place, sages and fair play for women. They all have Facebook pages which you can follow and use to network with other like minded women.
Sorry I don't mean to be snippy but there is activism going on so women need to get involved. I've noticed a large number of splinter groups popping up on Facebook recently with little cohesion so it's far better if women look to sites and groups that have already been set up by women with experience in politics, journalism and academia.
If you want to connect with other women there are lots of closed Facebook groups that can be found which you can join.

BriechonCheese · 22/10/2017 11:49

I'm up for helping!

BetsyM00 · 22/10/2017 11:07

There are at least 3 groups of women with on online presence for tackling this issue:
Woman's Place UK twitter.com/Womans_Place_UK
Mayday twitter.com/mayday4women
SAGES twitter.com/sexgenderethics

busyboysmum · 22/10/2017 11:04

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2995738-Gender-ID-bill-Gender-Critical-To-Do-List

Have a look on here. There's a Facebook group I think. Woman's Place UK. Definitely worth contacting them. They're on Twitter as well.

Knusper · 22/10/2017 09:45

If there's a way of preserving safety for XXs against predators and opportunists rather than promoting bigotry against trans folk, then I'm in.

highinthesky that's exactly the aim. Glad you're in!

CuntAmongstThePigeons · 22/10/2017 09:43

Reporting for duty. I'm in London too.

highinthesky · 22/10/2017 09:17

Against predators and opportunitists!

Anyone else suffering with IOS keyboard today?

highinthesky · 22/10/2017 09:16

Well explained Knusper.

If there's a way of preserving safety for XXs against predarather than promoting bigotry against trans folk, then I'm in.

Multidimensionalbeing · 22/10/2017 09:12

It's done. There won't be a U - turn.

We can't even have threads on a predominantly female site like MN about male violence or abuse without some dickhead coming on and saying 'women are abusive too you know'.

What about the menz wankerz.

SweetGrapes · 22/10/2017 09:03

Great idea. There was another thread on organising ourselves and I think there is a closed facebook page too. Need to check back.
Like the 'I am woman'.

Knusper · 22/10/2017 08:42

highinthesky

A fight back against self ID with no gatekeeping.

I don’t regard trans-genders as being in my pool of competition in any sphere, tbh.

Really?

  • Sport
  • Awards and grants designed to redress sex-based disadvantage
  • Beds on female hospital wards
  • Safe accommodation in prisons, women's rehabilitation programmes
  • Places in refuges
  • Places in women only colleges, schools, clubs

And that's just competition. Not even scratching the surface of safety issues. Or many women's preference for single sex facilities and groups.

I have never seen a poster here argue against basic rights for transgender people. What we object to is hard-won women's rights and protections being damaged in favour of the fad for transgender validation.

We object to the fact that transsexual and dysphoric people are finding it increasingly difficult to access mental health care - even when they want it - because of the push for normalisation.

We object to the medicalisation and ultimate sterilisation of children in the name of transactivism. We object to the homophobia and misogyny that it often promotes.

TitaniasCloset · 22/10/2017 03:56

That could be an anthem.

OP posts:
TitaniasCloset · 22/10/2017 03:55

Ok middle of the night so no one has responded. What about making Hellen Reddys I am woman relevant again?

OP posts:
TitaniasCloset · 22/10/2017 01:34

All of this. No matter where you are on the spectrum of terfyness. Or maybe you aren't feminist at all, but people need to know what the fuck is happening and right now they don't.

Everyone just assume that our politicians/parents will sort this out for our best interests. That clever people somewhere will fix it so it's not actually a problem and anyone complaining is just being prejudiced.

This is not the fucking case. This is an Orwellian nightmare made real and we need to FIGHT!!!!!

OP posts:
TitaniasCloset · 22/10/2017 01:29

Also toilets and changing rooms, no one actually fucking asked us women if we are ok with this!

If we lose these spaces for biological women that were hard fought for in the first place we lose a lot, including even just having a space to escape to and talk to other women if you are being harassed.

OP posts:
TitaniasCloset · 22/10/2017 01:27

And I mean women's sports being taken over by biggger stronger men

OP posts:
Please create an account

To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account.

This thread is closed and is no longer accepting replies. Click here to start a new thread.