Number of trans people who are murderers is greater than the number of trans people who are murder victims in UK **Title amended by MNHQ**

I think what we think is more important than how we look, yes.

Course you do, Malcolm.

I think what we think is more important than how we look, yes.
In that case women who think men are never born female are as important as men who think they were born female. We are both thinking.

And as my consent is mine to give and not yours you have to defer to what I think in this case. I don't consent to males who think they were born female being given the legal ability to ignore my consent.

Ereshkigal

It is this type of thinking that has allowed men to rule over women for so long. You are biologically feeble and different. Therefore can't be what you want.

Quite a few TRAs say this. It's incomprehensible to them that women can't just BE equal. Because their privilege blinds them to female reality.

They can identify as female and walk around being listened to and dominating, after all. Women should just take a leaf. Fools. Crampingly confined ninnies at the mercy of their self perception.

F4 I really still can’t see which feelings of female born women are the same as transgender women.

Feminist your argument is basically sex segregation needs to end because of how some males feel.

What about how the females feel? Are our feelings taken into account, or is it just males that matter?

I think what we think is more important than how we look, yes.

For fucks sake!

There’s a difference between acknowledging material differences between male and female bodies and attaching a moral judgement to these differences!

You have just demonstrated zero understanding of feminism there 😂

I've dropped no pretence. You misinterpret me. Giving ridiculous examples doesn't prove your case. Our actions define us. If I commit a crime of course I am guilty of it.

Are you honestly saying we can think away our physical differences?

I'm glad "Feminist" has dropped that particular pretence. Sometimes it fools the unwary.

What we are doing is acknowledging our biology as it is that which society uses to oppress us. I can imagine I’m something else but it isn’t going to stop me being paid less than a man or overlooked for promotion because I’m of child bearing age. It isn’t going to stop me having periods or getting pregnant. Our biology matters.

Lets release all the prisoners who think theyre innocent, and allow all those who think theyre brain surgeons to perform surgery.

That's basically the Action for Trans Health manifesto executive summary, isn't it?

Mock all you like. It is this type of thinking that has allowed men to rule over women for so long. You are biologically feeble and different. Therefore can't be what you want.

And that's me who forgot to quote, not Datun! I may just go back to bed

Sorry Datun forgot to quote properly

Also if I had a child who was trans I would be grabbing the suicide debunked articles with both hands. Relieved, grateful and reading them avidly.

Was reminded on another thread today of TRA Rebecca Root's revealing slip of the tongue on Victoria Derbyshire earlier in the year when Rebecca said about the trans suicide stats that they were "in our favour".

Can you fly, F4?

Or are you letting your body define who and what you are?

It is the confines and definitions established by society that have limited my freedom to define myself in the way I wish.

Society is stopping you expressing yourself how you want? Yes! I want a society where people express themselves how they want. But expressing oneself and changing material reality are different things.

Durr... my brain is part of my body. Unless you're a Cartesian dualist. Oh, hang on a moment, you just quoted Descartes. I guess you are. A Cartesian dualist who thinks they know about neuroscience.

[Settles back with the popcorn to watch more unhingedness unfold before me. Beats watching DS and his friend play Fortnite.]

It is the confines and definitions established by society that have limited my freedom to define myself in the way I wish.

I thought it was your child?

No I agree its amusing.

Lets release all the prisoners who think theyre innocent, and allow all those who think theyre brain surgeons to perform surgery.

My teen thinks he can drive, how can the police invalidate his identity just because hes 14?

F4 So we agree there are societal confines. And we can all have different feelings.
But I still can’t see which feelings of female born women are the same as transgender women?

I think therefore I am. It is the confines and definitions established by society that have limited my freedom to define myself in the way I wish.

You think therefore you are in as much as you are a thinking being. It does not follow that you are what you think you are.

Biology has placed limits on what you are. You can not fly by identifying as a bird.

I'm sorry you all feel so defined by your bodies and not your brains. It says a lot!

Thanks Ereshkigal it's so tedious havjng to refute the same stuff over and over.

I'd also like to point out that threatening to kill yourself either because you can't access female facilities, or to make people agree with you is abusive.

As is recommending women get locked up for disagreement.

Also if I had a child who was trans I would be grabbing the suicide debunked articles with both hands. Relieved, grateful and reading them avidly.

Not posting easily refuted bogus surveys and recommendations by organisations who use convicted doctors.