Number of trans people who are murderers is greater than the number of trans people who are murder victims in UK **Title amended by MNHQ**

It is the type of behaviour I deplore. That 'I'm in a club that is exclusive' superior and condescending attitude.

Why do TRAs always claim that excluding men from women spaces means the women think they are superior.

It's such a revealing comment.

You don’t care about how your safe spaces harm others - which they do.

Our safe spaces harm no-one.

Safe spaces for women are safe spaces for women allowing anyone who thinks they are a woman into those spaces renders them no longer safe spaces.

If TW feel they need safe spaces why don't they lobby for their own separate safe spaces? As this is the cause of the day I can guarantee they would be provided with those spaces far quicker than women or disabled people were provided with spaces - for which women and disabled people had to fight tooth and nail and in a number of cases fund themselves.

You can then have spaces which include all those who think they are women which of course will include the Karen Whites of this world. No doubt you will say you don't want Karen White in a space with your transgender daughter but if you believe anyone is who they think they are then that is what you have to accept.

You say all genders need protecting, and I agree, yes they do.

So why oh god why do you see removing all safegaurding fpr females as a way of protecting gender?

When your child enters a womens space, they are not in a gendered space, are they?

If this is your argument then campaign for gendered spaces

Stop trying to remove our sex segregated spaces. Because that dpes not protwct genders, not will it help your child.

It just removes all safegaurding for females who, by the way, get raped far more commonly than any other group. By transwomen, as well as men.

The rape of a child becomes a ‘gotcha’ on page 22 of the thread. Despicable.

Oh, FFS. I, for one, do not believe a word this person says.

Me neither. They’ve gone from ‘I am what I think I am’ - which is clearly something a trans person would say, not a natal woman, to the parent of a trans-child who has now aged into adulthood (‘my daughter is not a man’) since this thread began.

This latter part is the only part of their argument I can accept because this conversation has put years on me too.

That was me braying like a man
Still doing it

Womanhood IS an exclusive club. For, you know, women.

It is the type of behaviour I deplore. That 'I'm in a club that is exclusive' superior and condescending attitude.

It always comes back to an obsession with "feminine" behaviors with people that believe in female men. Without fail.

I've never been in a men only drinking club, have you?

Women braying? That is clearly failing to conform to gender stereotypes and must be stopped!

Oh, FFS. I, for one, do not believe a word this person says. MNHQ should not allow such vile, unstable, vicious people to continue to post - regardless of what political position they take with regards to trans issues.

Tell that to my transgender daughter who was bullied at school for being different and raped.

The fact you ended that sentence with ‘raped’ rather than lead with it makes me suspect it isn’t true.

Well actually you are right, all genders that feel at risk need to be protected. But my daughter is not a man and should be protected in the same way all women are. My daughter is a rape victim because she is among the most vulnerable people in society. You mock like braying men in some men only drinking club. It's chilling.

The saddest thing is parents like feminist4 end up defending the very abusers that do the raping. I wish people were not so easily groomed but her we have a classic case of a groomed parent defending the abusers.

The nation is being groomed. I'm seeing my MP next week, he's going to get such a bollocking for colluding in this.

F4 is gradually upping the ante, here.

If you have a child, and your child was raped or sexually assaulted, that is of course terrible.

But I must draw everyone's attention to the fact that we are in a cycle of "false assertion, debunk, false assertion, debunk, false assertion, debunk..." here. F4's "child" first appeared in about iteration 3 or 4 (you'd have expected the child to be mentioned much earlier) and at that point was subjected to bullying. Here we are on iteration 6 or 7, and F4's child is now a rape victim.

I repeat, if F4 does in fact have a child, and that child has been raped, that is beyond terrible. But, on the tenor of the thread so far, I do not think this is actually true.

Giving ridiculous examples doesn't prove your case.

So do please tell us what kind of an example Karen White is? A proven paraphiliac with a cross dressing fetish and child abuse, who you believe was "born female"? You need to prove your case here. That this born female, is born female because of "thinking" not fetish or psychopathy or mental illness, and is someone we need to protect and prioritise of over women and girls because of "thinking". To not do so is discrimination? Please confirm this? This psychopathic rapist is defined by his female brain and not his male body, that's your non discriminatory view you expect us to be locked up for not believing?

Is this your non ridiculous example or one of our ridiculous examples?

So all men who are bullied and raped should be seen of as women? Womanhood isn't a dumping ground for unhappy males.

So your child was also a victim of male violence.

Thats terrible. Male violence is horrific for all of us to live with.

So why are you attacking women rather than adressing the actual problem?

Hyppolyta I was open to hearing about the similarities but it seems like no answers are forthcoming.

Tell that to my transgender daughter who was bullied at school for being different and raped.

Why do transgender women not have the power of men?

There is not even ONE difference that all men and transwomen have.

This has been asked repeatedly, and never answered.

There is no difference between transwomen and men, and nothing transwomen and women have in common.

So of course transwomen are treated as men, we cant tell the difference between them.

Of course transgender women cannot walk around with the power of men. That is the point

So men identifying as women have no power.

But actual women can have it if they just try harder?

It is this type of thinking that has allowed men to rule over women for so long. You are biologically feeble and different. Therefore can't be what you want.

Whatever else it isn't, trandgenderism is sexist muppetry on acid.

I'm glad "Feminist" has dropped that particular pretence. Sometimes it fools the unwary

It's not so much that they've dropped the pretence as that they can't sustaining masking the underlying nuttiness indefinitely.

The more rational end of the transgenderist religion do at least realise when they've been "pwned" on a thread over misuse of statistics. At that point, they either do a vanishing act or try to derail the thread in a different direction. The truly unhinged do a groundhog day - the thread goes false stats, debunk, repeat false stats, another debunk, repeat false stats, another debunk... but sooner or later there's always a melt-down into full-on narc rage and tin-foil hattery.

[Man, this popcorn is not doing anything for my waistline.]

Of course transgender women cannot walk around with the power of men. That is the point.

Didn’t realise I’d not been thinking right.