Number of trans people who are murderers is greater than the number of trans people who are murder victims in UK **Title amended by MNHQ**

But can you identify as a fish?

Fish are fish, feminist.

Your child is male and can not be a woman or a fish.

They do not belong in womens spaces or aquariums.

How is allowing my daughter into a women's safe space bad for her? Please elaborate. Please explain the problem in letting her in for women? I think I am the only tolerant person here. I'm tired of the 'biology argument'. What about fish that have changed sex as a result of hormones in the water? Biology is determined by hormones.

Stop falling for the goads, everyone.

It's perfectly clear 4 is not here in good faith and any assertions they make may - but also may not - reflect the reality of their life.

Just let them rant and think of positive, productive, contributions you can make to other threads instead.

Of course it's not implausible to me; it's quite clear that you're happy to ride roughshod over the rights of (actual) women to protect your precious son. How very feminist of you!

Feminist4 you think its biologically possible for a human to change sex??

Sorry, but nope.

Feminist a woman is not a male who take hormones.

A woman is a human adult female. That isnt opinion, its fact.

If your child wants a word to describe his gender he can make up any word he wants, but he isnt having ours.

No male is a woman.

I disagree with you Fearandsurprise. Yours isn't the only opinion. And opinion is what it is.

What rights do you feel the need to fight for? I expect I'd back you on many, but not any 'rights' that involve undermining or eradicating the right to categorise people as being male or female. Doing so would have a very negative impact on women and transwomen.
To lead a healthy life trans people need to come to terms with their natal sex, regardless of whether they undergo physical treatment or not.

F4 Your stepchild is male. They may be transgender, but they will never be female. It’s not biologically possible.

I understand the self - ID issue

I knew you would get there!

Without mentioning individuals

Tell me. Why not?

You can sleep in my palm tree shelter on the island Feminist4! We can be bivouac mates! Yay!

Hmmm now why might my daughter not want to get changed next to Danielle Muscato........

I understand the self - ID issue, what I argue against is my daughter, who has been diagnosed and is on female hormones (has breasts) and is awaiting surgery and has formally changed her identity is being called a man by many posters here.

I've run out of popcorn so I'm going to engage. Feminist4, under the Trans Umbrella, cross dressers (men who want to wear a dress for fun) are classified exactly the same as dysphoric transsexuals.

Many women have accepted dysphoric transsexuals into women only spaces for decades. We are now being told to expand that acceptance to include people who fetishise femininity or who get sexual pleasure from wearing women's clothing. THIS is why I am angry, THIS is why I am against self ID! The expansion of the trans umbrella has meant that people have to pick a side. You either accept that anyone can be a woman or you don't. There is no longer any middle ground. This is not an argument that women created. It was forced upon us by the people who decided to expand the definition of trans.

Why would a transwoman scare a girl?

Aw thanks for the beer! But it’s not like this is hard work, after all it’s always a pleasure to welcome another sister into the fold!

Who is doing the evening shift on this thread?
Lemon you have done well on the afternoon shift
Here’s a 🍺

No you’re not. You said

Transgender women don't just want to dress as women for fun.

Your true opinions are right there for everyone to see. They want to dress as women rather than they are women.

Might I be the first to welcome you to the dark side? Lots of people would call you a bigot for that but you’re among friends here

How does a transman look like a man?

Short hair, facial hair, wearing pants? That sounds like a lot of women.

Secondly, we dont allocate spaces on what people look like. Its what sex they are.

I agree with FloralBunting
@MNHQ
I'll report my post now.

This is just tedious now.
Thanks for putting the delusional narcissistic rage on display nice and clear 4, very helpful.