Number of trans people who are murderers is greater than the number of trans people who are murder victims in UK **Title amended by MNHQ**

Oh ffs, no one is that stupid they think people with intersex conditions are all born with both sets of genitals.

At least one poster on this thread is.

There aren't that many transgender women. Make the exception for them too.

I'm afraid people like you have made that impossible. Claiming that men are literally woman and we have to take their word for it has irrevocably ruined things for men with gender dysphoroa.

Hey, 4, as you're still here, any chance of you clarifying your statement from yesterday, please? The question was "what do you want to get out of this thread" and your response was "to get you locked up". Is that correct? What did you mean by that?

Oh ffs, no one is that stupid they think people with intersex conditions are all born with both sets of genitals.

I'm 55, actually.

Feminist4 claims to have an adult child so F4 has to be in their thirties at least.

There are some people who have both male and female genitalia. So that is my question.

There aren't that many transgender women. Make the exception for them too.

People aren't taking you seriously 4 not because we can't answer your questions but because you're talking piffle.

Regarding your question about intersex individuals you clearly misunderstand the concept.

To quote Bowlofbabelfish, a senior scientist and FWR regular:

Intersex is a crap word, let’s be honest. It implies a sort of middle ground when that is not actually true. People with DSD, (disorders of sexual development) are not both sexes at once. They have a variety of developmental issues that do things like make them sterile in some cases, or missing a vagina for example, or have abnormalities of metabolism or reproductive development.

What’s critical to understand is that all those people are male or female. they are not some kind of unknowable middle ground. The vast majority are classable at birth. A few need genetic testing to make sure - they are not a third sex. They are not proof there’s a spectrum of sex. They are just them.

So no, there is NOT male, female and intersex. There is male and female and all intersex people can be categorised into one of those two.

There is no question. Intersex people are either male or female. If we make an exception for one or two intersex people, so bloody what?

You don't then change laws so that men can say they're women.

Seriously, you sound like you're very, very young.

More mockery and avoiding the question

Clownfish can change sex. Humans can’t. Nor can they become fish.

You can, of course, become a clown - but kids won’t want you in their bathrooms dressed like that either.

Coulrophobic little bastards.

And you are using this argument Pawn, to dismiss the question without answering it. I assume they are accepted as they have female genitalia, then. So then penis isn't a problem.

Wombofonesown, my male child would obviously be male. Nobody knows why transgender women or men feel this way, but the drive is primal to change gender. There are many very gentle, feminine, gay men who have no urge to transition. It is a very different drive. My daughter was not in the least bit feminine. It is extraordinary and shocked us when she told us. But now I have no doubt that it is not a phase. I know that she would be deeply unhappy to have to live as a man. Two years on hormones and she is very decidedly more female and so much happier.

So people born with male and female genitalia would be excluded too even if they had been brought up as a girl

You're presumably as ignorant about disorders of sexual development as you are about everything else you claim, 4. The intersex community has repeatedly asked that trans apologists not try to use them as a gotcha. Fish have made no complaints as yet. But people are not fish. Human beings can't change sex, nor is there a 3rd sex.

Sounds like in your ideal world we would have eugenics to ensure there were no anomalies in the human race. Pure male and female only permitted.

It’s not us sterilising kids. Interesting use of the word ‘anomalies’ though. You think transpeople are devient or abnormal?

People with intersex conditions still have a sex, and its male or female.

Its intresting you mention eugenics though, its deeply disturbing how young some children are when they are being sterilised.

I was/ am non gender conforming, and as an 80s child it was acceptable. I think the children being sterilised now are the next great scandal, and there are going to be an awful lot of lawsuits flying around.

Nor do I blame them, the brain is not fully mature until mid 20s, these children should not be making such huge decisions.

What about fish that have changed sex as a result of hormones in the water?

Try breathing underwater, then come back and tell us all the other amazing things you think humans can do just because fish do.

Please, m'dears, don't engage any further.

Sounds like in your ideal world we would have eugenics to ensure there were no anomalies in the human race. Pure male and female only permitted. The rest have to go and live in limbo land - a kind of purgatory where they can't be accepted as it doesn't fit into your box.

So people born with male and female genitalia would be excluded too even if they had been brought up as a girl?

Is Marting Ponting a threat?
Davina Ayrton?
Ian Huntley?
Karen White?

All males who call themselves transwomen.

Transwomen can be a threat to females, so they are excluded from female spaces. NAMALT, or NATWALT, obviously, but enough that males are not welcome in female spaces.

Women on this thread have repeatedly said no to sharing spaces with your male child

Over and over and over.
No means no.

Do you understand?

You dismiss all my arguments out of hand without providing any effective counter argument apart from 'Biology' and genitalia. Who are you to decide? You have conveniently attached it to women's survival in a hostile aggressive male world, as if transgendered women are a threat, which is transphobic. Would intersex people be allowed into your safe space or do you exclude them too?

I suppose Mermaids would say its possible