Number of trans people who are murderers is greater than the number of trans people who are murder victims in UK **Title amended by MNHQ**

When I get more time, transgender crimes is something I want to research further.

One thing I did look into was child abuse images. The average number of women in the UK (over the last 11 years) who were convicted of possession of indecent photos of a child is 1.7 per year.
www.gov.uk/government/statistics/criminal-justice-system-statistics-quarterly-december-2016

I know of 3 TIMs convicted of this crime in 2016 - Alice Smith, Nathan Bird and Nicola Florida.

I am fairly certain these 3 cases are included in the total number of 6 women who were convicted of this crime last year (a police officer tells me they would be included in the female stats). This makes sense since the number has increased dramatically from the long-term average.

So trans crimes have demonstratively distorted the female stats by showing at least a doubling of convictions just in this one criminal area.

And of course there are no treatment programmes for female sex offenders, so TIMs such as these have no rehabilitation recourse!

Which ever way you look at it, it would appear that the statistics of transwomen being the most targeted, oppressed group, don’t seem to stack up. Nor does the assertion that they are harmless. By which I mean, they are no less harmless than any other man.

I’ll be willing to bet, that once this premise is more widely circulated the goalposts will change, yet again.

It won’t be that they are at risk of death, it will be that they are at risk of bullying, teasing, etc.

And the reason why some transwomen kill or attack women is because of that bullying and teasing.

Hopefully, the widespread assertion over how they are targeted and harmless, has been noticed by enough people that when the backpedalling starts, it might make them sit up and think.

The general UK murder rate is about 10 per million per year.

According to that table the UK murder rate for trans people is 0.125/8 (8 years) per million per year. This is about 0.02 per million per year.

For the number of trans people murdered to be disproportionately high would require there to be fewer than 1 in 500 trans people in the population.

To put it another way, if 1 trans person is murdered in the UK per year, and 571 (the 2016 figure) from the general population, for trans people to be murdered at a disproportionate rate would require there to be fewer than 1 in 500 trans people in the population.

However, the numbers might be wrong (they're too small to give any confidence), I could well have got this wrong, and there are no corrections for factors such as people being engaged in sex work. To be honest, I'm just showing that you can prove what you want with stats when the numbers aren't solid.

Here are some figures taken from an organisation called 'Transrespect versus Transphobia Worldwide' (TvT) which, among other things, monitors worldwide murder rates of transgender people.

transrespect.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/TvT-PS-Vol14-2016.pdf or if this link to their report doesn't work, try

transrespect.org/en/tvt-publication-series/ and select the pdf from there.

According to their research, 8 transgender people were murdered in the UK between 2008 and June 2016, so an average of 1 per year over the last 8 years. (Table 10 on the pdf).

I can't find any official UK statistics on transgender murder victims. The nearest I have found is the Office for National Statistics report on homicides in England and Wales between 1997 and 2016, which records 3 victims with 'unknown gender' since 2012. (The TvT report shows 4 trans murders for this period).

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/compendium/focusonviolentcrimeandsexualoffences/yearendingmarch2016/homicide (Figure 2.2)

The TvT report also states that 86% of murdered trans people in Europe were sex workers (doesn't give UK figures for this), which is quite a bit higher than the global figure of 65%. (Table 16 on pdf).

Right - that makes sense. OP - maybe ask mumsnet to amend the title? Otherwise it just gets quoted by activists as an example of how transphobic we all are?

I assume the title is supposed to mean that in the UK the number of trans people who are murderers is greater than the number of trans people who are murder victims.

OP,
Where have you got these statistics from? Given that there are two women a week killed by their partners or ex partners, there were 571 homicides in the UK in 2016 I find it impossible to believe your headline that there are more trans murderers than victims? Where's your evidence for this?

William Lound, murdered in 2016, is listed on that Wikipedia article as a transman. However none of the newspaper reports that I can find seem to support that he was transgender, although I appreciate that there are restrictions on reporting that may be responsible for this. This article (Guardian link) is the only one I found that references the murder as ‘transphobic’, states ”Lound...was gay and would occasionally wear women’s clothing and makeup“ - I’m unclear if that means Lound was a cross dressing gay man (all references use ‘he’)? NOT a transman. This ITV news report states ”may have been a transgender hate crime, as William sometimes dressed as a woman”. If you read multiple newspaper reports, it reads as a gay panic murder (he had just had sex with his murderer) caused by severe failings of mental health care (his murderer had spent extended time as a psychiatric inpatient, had repeatedly stated he had urges to kill).

It just feels a bit of a stretch to me to co-opt this tragedy as a transgender hate crime. In any case, that Wikipedia article seems likely to be inaccurate in describing Lound as a transman.

I'll take a wild guess that it is probably the case that more MTF trans have been convicted of rape compared to the number of men convicted of raping MTF trans.

I could be wrong, but I'm sure I've read numerous reports of 'Women' who have been convicted of raping a women or child. Which is odd as you need to be in possession of a penis to commit rape.

If it were the other way round I'm fairly certain that the trans lobby would be out there doing something about violent men. But maybe they are too busy fighting off feminists who are carrying out 'literal' violence against them.

What are the figures on trans murder victims in the UK? Do you have a link? (I'm not questioning you, particularly, I just want some actual statistics for both areas).