Number of trans people who are murderers is greater than the number of trans people who are murder victims in UK **Title amended by MNHQ**

I find it extraordinary that so many people on this board are trying to find out about the number of transgender murderers. The desire to demonise small group of people who are going through a very tough time and get a lot of abuse in the streets is appalling. You mention individual cases and use them to tarnish a whole community. Every transgender woman is an individual and should not be witch hunted like this.

We had a journalist on here a while ago who said you’re not allowed to mention that they are trans, unless it’s pertinent to the case.

But I don’t know how that really plays out. Surely, it’s not about them being trans specifically, it’s about them being male. Pretending someone is the opposite sex and committing a crime that is atypical of that sex surely must be pertinent.

That's an interesting question, I have no idea of the exact rules. There's another article Lily links to about the above case which doesn't mention it at all so is presented entirely as a female crime.
www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/somerset-news/woman-accused-child-sex-abuse-79552.amp

What is the current law on papers making statements such as 'who was born a man', does anyone know? Are they only allowed to acknowledge that in the period before a GRC is granted?

This shared by Lily Maynard on Twitter today
www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/somerset-news/woman-sentenced-images-child-sex-256657.amp
How do people cope with the anger and feeling of impotence in situations like this? I'm struggling this morning.

RumandRaisin, brilliant analysis -- kudos to the writer.

fairplayforwomen.com/trans-murder-rates

The amount of murders of Trans people in the UK is very low, in spite of what many transactivists say. Those who are murdered are nearly always prostituted or killed by a man they are already in a relationship with. They are not murdered because they are Trans, they are murdered because anyone prostituted is at a very high risk of murder from pimps and punters, and because men are more likely to murder their partners than women.

It won’t be that they are at risk of death, it will be that they are at risk of bullying, teasing, etc.

P Lees is one step ahead here: now a self-described anti-bullying campaigner, not a trans campaigner

Plus we don't know if the male model of offending in this manner applies to women.

He's not a woman. I don't see why it wouldn't be exactly the same.

Reading that article that sentence sounds reasonable.

Programmes are generally the best option but with the right practitioner can be done successfully on a one to one. And often are for various reasons, mental health, employment commitments etc. According to the article it seemed the reason this person was not viewed suitable was because they identified as a woman. And there are no sex offender group programmes for woman. As they'd be sat doing them by themselves. Plus we don't know if the male model of offending in this manner applies to women. Not enough to study I'm guessing.

A lot of us here might think they should do the programme designed for men as they are a man. Personally I feel a man presenting as a woman either due to gender dysphoria or for less genuine reasons would not be suitable. Too disruptive/complex for other members who need their own rehabilitation to prevent creating further victims.

The issue for me is if self Id comes in will it become realised this is a way to dodge programmes? Who knows? Self Id is a Pandora's box in this sense, in terms of women's safe spaces, women's sport & in terms of crime. Yet women aren't allowed to talk about it. Apparently.

It was the case of Alice smith, reported here:
www.eadt.co.uk/news/judge-criticises-lack-of-specific-treatment-for-women-who-download-child-porn-after-ardleigh-woman-20-is-found-with-1-200-indecent-images-1-4733506

"Judge Rupert Overbury said although it was uncommon for women to commit this kind of crime he found it “appalling” there were not any specific internet sex offenders’ treatment programmes for women."

Except it was a man who committed the crime.

I’ve tried to find the case online, but I can’t. I’m not sure how much of coincidence that this.

But the sentencing guidelines only allowed for the perpetrator to go into a programme as some kind of rehabilitation. But because they identified as a woman and there weren’t any for women, he just got off with doing nothing.

Sorry Ereshkigal which ones that? Miguel? Did he get prison but no rehabilitation? This is US I guess so no clue how it works over there.

Would hate to work with a transgender sex offender given all the complexities (it's tricky enough as it is, would be ridiculous navigating lady penis's.)

Unlikely to crop up due to fact transgender people are such a small population. Remains to be seen how this changes if self I.d comes in. It's certainly something that won't be thought about beforehand though. How self I.d affects treatment programmes for offending behaviour. Just a mess that will have to be worked out afterwards. As per.

I've lost count of the men. So women get one to one stuff.

Except this specific "woman" didn't get anything because they had no programme available to put him on. So they pretty much let him off.

missmoneyplant bit rusty on this but the most effective intervention for sex offences is group work. The programmes are designed with men in mind. Putting the resource where the need is - most sex offenders are men.

No group work programmes for females are run specifically for sex offences. You'd never get enough candidates for the programme. From near ten years working with sex offenders - two have been female. I've lost count of the men. So women get one to one stuff.

Wait - young black men >50/100,000 and young black transwomen 38/100,000 - doesn’t that mean that young black men reduce their risk of being murdered by transitioning

Yes it does. And white men absolutely do. Hardly any trans murder victims in the US are white, while there are about 4000 white men killed a year.

Well I'm not 100% sure that the difference is statistically significant and the age groups don't match up entirely, but the point is that there is prima facie no evidence that trans women are any different from males in risk

Wait - young black men >50/100,000 and young black transwomen 38/100,000 - doesn’t that mean that young black men reduce their risk of being murdered by transitioning? Very tired and interpreting statistics brain not entirely engaged right now.

'for young black trans women' ... the murder rate is 38 per 100,000

However, a very quick Google search suggests that the young black male murder rate exceeds 50 per 100,000

That fits in with my playing around with numbers upthread. My suspicion is that if you look at a socio-economic group the trans people in that group will tend to have greater privilege than the average.

Here's the fake news about trans women being murdered in epidemic proportions: mic.com/unerased

Meanwhile, right-on media sources in the US are falling over themselves to defend a transgender rapist.

Mic.com says

"Fox News misrepresents report of sexual assault by a trans person in a private residence’s bathroom"

the reason being that Fox News

"did not mention the location of the alleged assault, simply noting that “it was unclear whether the attack happened in a private or public bathroom."

and has now updated the article accordingly, however it has still been criticised for

'leaving room for speculation that the attack had taken place in a public restroom — adding fuel to the already dangerous transgender “bathroom predator” myth.'

Snopes also reports on the story, saying "Was a Transgender Woman Convicted of Sexually Assaulting a Young Girl in a Bathroom?"

is only 'partly' true, by posting a strawman claim that "A transgender woman raped a young girl in a women's bathroom because bills were passed allowing transgender people to use bathrooms which correspond with their gender." a claim which doesn't actually seem to appear anywhere.

The Inquisitr, www.inquisitr.com/4568045/viral-transgender-woman-miguel-michelle-martinezs-alleged-rape-of-10-year-old-girl-in-wyoming-home-bathroom/, meanwhile adds

"The 27-year-old Miguel claims to be innocent of rape."

Despite the fact that he has been convicted.

These same sources also seem determined to 'deadname' and 'misgender' him, despite the fact that his lawyer confirms "Martinez identifies as a woman and goes by Michelle. "

Snopes somehow manages not to use any pronouns in its article (haha, the English language is in ruins thanks to this nonsense).

Mic.com says this is all terrible because of some fake statistics about transgender murder rate, saying that 'for young black trans women' (an extremely specific subgroup, no?) the murder rate is 38 per 100,000, and saying that if the whole of America shared the 'young black trans women' murder rate, there would be 120,000 rather than 15,000 murders per year.

However, a very quick Google search suggests that the young black male murder rate exceeds 50 per 100,000 www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4455517/

So in fact 'young black trans women' are no more at risk than the rest of the black male-bodied population.

These fucking fraudulent liars are not content with erasing femininity to claim that transgender people are more at risk, they now want to erase black identity as well? It's shocking that young black men in America are frequently murdered, but it's got fuck all to do with being transgender.

How fucking dare they.

As far as I know, that has become an issue because a man identifying as a woman was not allowed to go on a rehabilitation programme, because there were none for women.

So he didn’t go.

Sorry, I phrased that badly - I don't mean different motivations, exactly. I mean, do female sex offenders require a different type of rehabilitation programme? In which case they could use reasons other than sex to justify different types of rehabilitation programme, ie. offender type A does rehabilitation type A, and so put the transwomen in with the men.

And of course there are no treatment programmes for female sex offenders, so TIMs such as these have no rehabilitation recourse!

Is the rehabilitation programme delivered in groups? Is that the reason why there are none for women? Or is it due to different motivations (?) so different methods needed to rehabilitate?