Number of trans people who are murderers is greater than the number of trans people who are murder victims in UK **Title amended by MNHQ**

Yes but i do think a transwoman is a man. As it happens i dont care if a man does my smear test. Some women do think a transwoman is a man AND they dont want a man doing their smear test. How do we manage that situation? I believe thete's a rule of thumb we can use - stop saying people can change sex. I can have my smear done by anyone and my fellow patient who wants a woman to be the one asking her to drop her knees open and take a large metal instrument up the vagina can have that too. All of a sudden there is no problem.

I understand not wanting a man to do your smear test but I don’t think a transgender woman is a man.

We all do think they are men. So we don’t want them to do our smear tests. Why do you think you have the right to tell women who they should accept to touch their genitals?

I understand not wanting a man to do your smear test but I don’t think a transgender woman is a man.

No transgender woman will need a smear test. None of them will have a cervix. Trans women are all male. (In actual fact, most of them are sexually attracted to women, have a penis, and many may look like a man). They also do not have the lived experience that I would find reassuring when asking for a female practitioner to do the procedure.

Why is feminist4 so desperate to find out if someone's child is male or female? So they can decide which one to care about?

Er No! Why do I need to try harder? You seem to be the ones who can’t accept transgender women. You talk about ‘what you have been through’ but I suspect it wasn’t caused by transgender women.

Sneer away honey. I've actually got a mild stitch from laughing so much and one of my kids told me to pipe down.

The "born this way" narrative has been used by LGBTQ+ people themselves....
Try harder.

How can I be sneering at women? I sneer at transphobic women though. How can you feel this is the answer to female safety? I understand not wanting a man to do your smear test but I don’t think a transgender woman is a man.

I’m interested in how the views of a mother can turn a child into a woman. Let’s talk about that a bit more 😂

What? Where did 'God made us this way' come from?

Yeah, I tend to not care about centering boundary pushing people, from the sex class that perpetrates 98% of sexual assaults, in my feminism. shrug

Oh, God made us this way so that’s how it has to be?

How dare you identifiesasFeminist4? You're behaving like a judgmental, sanctimonious prick. You know nothing about anyone's family or what they have been through. You are doing precisely the thing you accuse us of by dismissing and smearing women.

The EDL? You've made my night you silly, silly sod. Although I did shave my head at one point, so there is that.

Doesn't suit the crinolines, though.

Is who a transgender woman? The trans identifying child? Clearly not- because the views of the mother would be different.

Transgender women identify as females and should be valued as such

Why should they be valued as such? Really, I'm serious. Why? They should be valued as a person, like everyone else. Why does society have to 'value' their subjective internal feeling about themselves? What do you mean by value exactly?

I care about others. How hard is it? I’m a woman and not some helpless little lamb that needs to exclude other vulnerable groups for my own protection.

But is she a transgender woman though? That wa the question.

You are very uncaring. You sound like a member of the EDL. Of course your child isn’t a transgender female. Because you wouldn’t think like this if she were.

Floral LOL!

You expect women to do the emotional labour of fixing everything for those poor vulnerable transwomen. You sexistly expect women to be nice and caring and just budge over to make space for those wee lambs. I do enough emotional labour in my life. Grown ass adults can do their own.

Every time they ignore womens' No I care a little less.

Your attempt to double down on the guilt tripping is weak. 1/5.

Feminist4 identifies as a feminist by having the word in their username. Any suggestion that they should actually be a feminist and have feminist ideas is entirely trans-feminist-phobic and essentialist.

But by all means, keep arguing about these basic principles. You'll just bump the thread.

Is my child a transgender woman? Question to enjoy on a Friday night with a glass of something warming.