Does the fact that MTFs are victimizers in these obscenely violent criminal acts more frequently than they are victims change how lawmakers will see their claims of eternal victimhood? I doubt it. How many male murderers will have to be given elective surgery at taxpayer expense and housed with women (far less likely to be in prison for violent crime) before someone takes a long, hard look at the reality of the situation?

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ShamelesslyPlacemarking · 13/10/2018 00:35

*In other words

heresyandwitchcraft · 13/10/2018 00:34

And that is why I think I know better than you.
That's the problem in a nutshell isn't it?
You THINK you know better than anyone else, yet you cannot articulate why, or rationalize your position. You haven't come up with any evidence to refute posters. It's just been calling others offensive, dismissing other people's feelings, and prioritizing yourself.
If you believe you are so much wiser, you probably ought to at least be able to provide some actual facts to sway people. Otherwise your claims are seemingly based in some faith I just do not share, about souls being trapped in wrong bodies and such.
I am sorry for whatever struggles you or those you know have gone through, but that doesn't mean your opinions trump everyone else's or that women do not have a right to their own spaces.

Feminist4 · 13/10/2018 00:34

Because you don’t want to believe me. It doesn’t suit your narrative

ShamelesslyPlacemarking · 13/10/2018 00:33

@Feminist4 you have decided to accept/believe that your transgender daughter is a female in the fullest sense (however you define that word).

Can you in any way understand why a different woman would not be able to accept/believe that your transgender daughter is a female in the fullest sense?

In order words, do you believe that any other woman has the right to believe differently to you?

Hyppolyta · 13/10/2018 00:33

Youre using the word woman to decribe a person of either sex and any gender. Its meaningless.

So what is the difference between a man and a transwoman?

Surely you know?

Feminist4 · 13/10/2018 00:32

My transgender daughter is the gentlest of the three.

Feminist4 · 13/10/2018 00:32

Until they go on hormones and develop breasts and then have surgery.

Feminist4 · 13/10/2018 00:31

They are a woman trapped in a male body

FloralBunting · 13/10/2018 00:31

You find my posts offensive because you have fairies at the bottom of your garden? Well, yes, I can see how that works.

Feminist4 · 13/10/2018 00:31

A transgender woman is a woman.

Hyppolyta · 13/10/2018 00:29

So what is the difference between a transwoman and a man then?

Feminist4 · 13/10/2018 00:28

That is why I find your posts so offensive

Feminist4 · 13/10/2018 00:27

I do. And that is why I think I know better than you.

Datun · 13/10/2018 00:27

Feminist4

Very many tw are AGP, who fetishise women's biology and simulate menstruation And lactation (blame Stonewall for widening the definition).

I absolutely do not want them doing my smear test.

Is that ok with you?

Feminist4 · 13/10/2018 00:26

Floralbunting, verbal abuse is never the answer

FloralBunting · 13/10/2018 00:26

Of course you do. Lots of trans friends, a transwoman daughter that just popped up from nowhere, and fairies at the bottom of your garden.

FloralBunting · 13/10/2018 00:24

Feminist4, chick, don't bother your head about my child. Their welfare is entirely my business and entirely not yours. Which is a relief to all sensible people as you clearly can't tell your arse from your elbow.

Hyppolyta · 13/10/2018 00:24

Feminist how do you know the difference between a transwoman amd a man?

Thats the million dollar question no one can answer.

If its self ID, do you believe Karen White is a woman because he says he is?

Feminist4 · 13/10/2018 00:23

I do have a transgender daughter. Yes it was hard to accept at first. I also have 2 other daughters. I have 3 daughters.

LemonJello · 13/10/2018 00:23

This is going to blow your mind.

I would rather have a man do my smear test than a transwoman.

See this thread for why.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3275325-Can-we-be-honest-about-the-need-for-affirmation

FloralBunting · 13/10/2018 00:22

Yes. It transphobic to decide who gets to touch your genitals. Cf. Cotton ceiling.

Feminist4 · 13/10/2018 00:22

I don’t think a transgender woman is a man

Ereshkigal · 13/10/2018 00:22

You talk about ‘what you have been through’ but I suspect it wasn’t caused by transgender women.

Not a member of that specific group of males maybe. But it's likely, as it was certainly the case for me, that it was caused by a male.

Feminist4 · 13/10/2018 00:21

Excuse the typos.

Feminist4 · 13/10/2018 00:20

I’m not. Poor lamb. I was just making sure the child wasn’t a transgender girl who might find it difficult to have s mother who wanted to exclude her from women By ‘safe spaces’. Because that would mes her up

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