Number of trans people who are murderers is greater than the number of trans people who are murder victims in UK **Title amended by MNHQ**

You are really offensive. Calling my daughter a man is wrong. You are inflexible In your views. You either do not see or don't care about the damage you cause. Perhaps before you condemn you should spend some time with some transgender women and see things a bit more from their perspective. It is quite extraordinary. Incidentally, she is my step-daughter. I don't see her through rose tinted glasses.

It was taken from a cohort of 27. It was self selecting and not verified. And the authors themselves said it probably included incidences of self harm.

The Samaritans urge people to not blame a single issue for suicide, as it very rarely is. The also counsel against highlighting it as it has a self fulfilling element. That doesn't stop lobby groups like Mermaids using it relentlessly.

I have read about it. It is a red herring. Why are you trying to pretend it doesn't happen. Something like 50% of transgender peple attempt suicide. It's too late for me to start googling for the evidence - but it's out there.

Feminist from what you have said your child is the sort of male who hears women say no, and decides to do it anyway.

Because he wants to, and what he wants is more important.

No. I will never accept males like that in female spaces.

There's nothing stopping your child supporting women and feminism. Volunteering, donating, campaigning. They need no-ones permission.

Almost everyone's mum loves them. That doesn't mean that other people are obligated to.

But now, back to boats! What does everyone else fancy being? I'm thinking maybe I should change my answer back to "submarines" on account of less chance of seasickness.

Reproduction. So what? Who cares? She'd love to have female reproductive organs. When that becomes possible will you accept her?

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2500 children a year attend identity clinics. If the suicide stats had anything to do with completed suicide you'd be seeing about three a day.

According to the serious case review stats, it's still only one (possibly two now).

Please read about this independently.

Being female isnt a judgement call.

It isnt a question of how nice you are. If your child was born with the biology to produce sperm, they are male. That cant be changed, sadly

Of course people should show compassion, but that stops the second he tries to force his way into a female space.

Nobody used the word ‘serve'. It is a privilege to be in her company because she is kind, wise, thoughtful and witty and she is an articulate feminist. She is not a man.. But what an uphill fight to get her accepted to the community she should be welcomed into rather than rejected and scorned.

How female these 'women' are? Zero.

What gives me the right to say that? I dunno, 2 eyes, a brain and a mouth? The unchanging fact of human reproduction?

Feelings are reality's bitch, for all of us.

I know I always feel happy and grateful when someone tells me that it's a privilege to serve them!

What makes you more right than the people going through this. It isn’t a mental illness. Your ‘care and compassion’ isn’t at all visible in the vitriol on these boards. What right have you to judge how female these women are? How would you know?

My issue is that I see my daughter as female as does she.
You can't force other people into your belief system.

She does not identify at all with men.
So? Woman isn't 'not feeling manly'
Identify with is meaningless, it doesn't change what is - and that isn't mean womens' fault.

We should welcome more women into our community.
What community are you talking about specifically, and who are these 'women'?
How do this minority group want to 'champion women' exactly? By ignoring our concerns, lived experiences and boundaries?

Look, I get that this is a personal and emotional issue for you. But the important questions won't disappear because they make you uncomfortable.

No male who forces his way into female spaces is an asset to women.

Any male that lies and then insists all women lie about who/what he is, is already a danger to women.

You can not and will not ever force people to participate in your beliefs

Does that make your judgement about my daughter acceptable and morally right? I don’t think so. It is prejudiced and harmful beyond belief.

My issue is that I see my daughter as female as does she.

And other people's issue is that although they would like your daughter to be treated with care and compassion, they don't accept that just because you and your daughter agree on her femaleness, that they must also agree, not only on your daughter's femaleness, but on the femaleness of all males who claim it.

That is due to the Tavistock’s success. It is the people who are rejected by their families and friends and who struggle to find work in a world where few accept them. They are the ones that kill themselves.

Or maybe a luxury yacht, but a small one because I'm a shortarse.

How is a woman setting hereself on fire by being welcoming to my daughter? It would be a privilege.

Feminist4

It might reassure you to know that the Tavistock have only reported one teen suicide in ten years.

I did the research. It is quite high. I don’t want to get side tracked into discussing that. My issue is that I see my daughter as female as does she. She does not identify at all with men. We should welcome more women into our community. She is facing the same kind of stigmatism that gay people went through 40 years ago. Transgender people are finally beginning to feel they can be themselves instead of living a sad and lonely lie for their whole lives. As a minority group who want to champion women - as she does- we should welcome them - not demonise them

Also, on the question of boats, I think I would like to be a catamaran (because fast).

The main point here, 4, is that other women are not willing to set ourselves on fire to keep your child warm. No matter how many times you call us Victorians/boats/etc.

The main ‘crime’ is suicide. Very high in the transgender community.

Do you have some statistics around that? I have seen quite a bit of quoting of statistics about 'suicide attempts' and how much higher they are in the transgender community. But higher attempts do not necessarily correspond to a higher actual suicide rate, as we already know from female vs male suicide statistics.

So are there actual statistics for the rate of suicide is in the transgender community vs general population and other sub-populations?