Number of trans people who are murderers is greater than the number of trans people who are murder victims in UK **Title amended by MNHQ**

Why do you accept that you would be a man? Because it will never happen to you

Waking up in the body of the opposite sex isn't going to happen to anyone.

And seeing as that’s not going to happen, what do you want now?

feminist

Can you link to the actual study. Because I can't see it in that report.

Incidentally, contributors to the report are GIRES, who claim transitioning cures autism and Mermaids, who recommend parents use a doctor who has been convicted of running an unlicensed surgery and illegally giving drugs to children.

Their description of what constitutes transgender also includes virtually everyone on the planet:

Transgender: broad term for those who do not conform to typical societal gender roles, identities, behaviours and dress. This includes those who cross dress, people who wear a mix of clothing, people who perform dressed in drag, people with a dual or no gender identity, and transsexual people.

So what are you now trying to get out of this thread now that you have come to those conclusions?

It’s really like being transported back to Hitler’s Germany. They used the biology argument too- and lots of bogus research.

I thought I would try to understand your arguments for excluding transgender women from safe spaces. But I realise that I can’t understand because the (inaccurate) data, the analysis and arguments are sickening.

If your goal is to get us to subscribe to your belief system that’s never going to happen.

If your goal is to bump this very informative thread about how transwomen are more likely to murder than be murdered, may I congratulate you on a job well done!

What do you want to get out of posting here Feminist4?

That's true. As amusing as the derail into us all being steampunk submarines has been, perhaps we can get back on topic now.

Why do you accept that you would be a man? Because it will never happen to you. I find it peculiar that feminists can be so lacking in tolerance and open-mindedness. Just stereotype transgender women with negative connotations in order to justify excluding them.

Your arguments are like those being used by the tories to justify immigration controls - ‘you are not one of us, therefore we don’t care whether our actions damage you’.

Whoever said upthread that this reads like one contributor is using a "playbook" - yes, that's what it reads like to me too.

And it seems to have successfully detailed the thread from its actual topic, which was "compare and contrast, in the UK specifically, the stats for violent crimes committed against trans people (crimes which are absolutely and unequivocally wrong, for the record, but mercifully rare) versus violent crimes committed by individuals who identify as trans."

Ah, but there are so many things that you can just know if you have a penis. Apparently the penis is the organ in which knowledge resides.

Anyway, I'm getting tired of your sexist garbage. I'm taking my pink brain and my ovaries off to bed.

You're either male or female. There's no scale of more maleness. That's silly.

Well I'm glad to hear you don't think organ harvesting is the only option.

Who will be paying for these bespoke organs grown for the male bodied people who want them?

Quite frankly, as a feminist, I'm interested in advancing health care for women. Science fiction pipe dreams should not be high on the agenda.

something you can’t know about because you can’t know if you aren’t transgender.
Femaleness is something you can't know if you aren't female.

Their are numerous publications about suicide. A couple are referred to here
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/28/trans-young-people-suicide-support-mental-health
assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/417707/Trans_suicide_Prevention_Toolkit_Final_26032015.pdf

You do well on so little sleep Datun!

My personal view is that whack-a-mole with this one really isn't worth it.

It's like Face Off! Brain Off? Actually that seems quite fitting in the circumstances...

Feminist4

Can you link to the suicide stats you refer to?

would you become a man if your brain were transplanted into a woman’s body?

Surely you mean man's body...

And no if my brain was transplanted into a man's body. I'd be a man. Because it's a description of my reproductive function.

Feminist4 - can I ask, is it really you who is trans?

As for your suicide stats. They are tosh. Again. That is not relevant here to my argument.

What makes you think they will be harvested women’s reproductive organs? Science may be able to grow your own organs in the future. How do any of you purport to know how male a transgender woman is? Are any of you transgender women arguing your case? You use biology as a weapon for something you can’t know about because you can’t know if you aren’t transgender. If in the future you were able to have a brain transplant - would you become a man if your brain were transplanted into a woman’s body? Mocking my use of the word ‘community’ is just pedantry to distract from the point I am making.

Read this. You should be happy that trans children don't tend to commit suicide, surely? It includes data from both GIDS and the National Confidential Enquiry into Suicide and Safety in Mental Health.

www.transgendertrend.com/suicide-by-trans-identified-children-in-england-and-wales/

That is due to the Tavistock’s success. It is the people who are rejected by their families and friends and who struggle to find work in a world where few accept them. They are the ones that kill themselves.

This isn't true. Transgenderism isn't a significant factor in children's and young people's suicides.