Number of trans people who are murderers is greater than the number of trans people who are murder victims in UK **Title amended by MNHQ**

May I draw people's attention once more to Germaine Bunbury. It's a little known fact, but as well as being a feminist icon, Bunbury also had a career in STEM where she invented a device called the "virtual hide poster" button. May I suggest you install it on your machines

Best thing since sliced bread that.

Transgender prison inmates are more vulnerable:
howardleague.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Coercive-sex-in-prison.pdf

God it's like Groundhog day. F4 posted that link to the Independent pages up, it got debunked (it even contradicts the other link F4 themselves posted to the BBC fact check - the one that did get the numbers right, but omitted the crucial context that 98% of sex crimes are committed by men). Yet here we are again.

May I draw people's attention once more to Germaine Bunbury. It's a little known fact, but as well as being a feminist icon, Bunbury also had a career in STEM where she invented a device called the "virtual hide poster" button. May I suggest you install it on your machines.

With that in mind, I would like to turn to a much more interesting question - Despicable said she was identifying as an Aston Martin (fine choice, I feel) and I would like to know whether she's a Vantage or your classic Goldfinger style DB5? And if the latter, was she never tempted to wait till she was on a hair-raising mountain road and autonomously deploy the ejection button: "I'm sorry Dave Mr Bond, I just can't do that"?

You have no case. The more I look into it, the less of a case you have.

Why your stats are wrong:
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/voices/41-per-cent-trans-transgender-trans-women-prisoners-sex-offenders-false-study-statistic-this-is-why-a8072431.html%3famp

researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7420/CBP-7420.pdf
This is why they need to be accepted into women only spaces:
www.newstatesman.com/juliet-jacques/2014/08/dispute-between-radical-feminism-and-trans-people

By my count, said poster has had four posts deleted in this thread. Why they haven't been suspended from MN (I thought it was three deletions in a short period of time and you were out) is a mystery.

Goading more of us into wasting our time playing with it I suspect.

Why are you back? Apart from bumping this thread- thanks for that cos it’s very compelling for our case.

What are you hoping to achieve today?

We’ve already been through this.

No we haven't. You have no grounds for saying that the stats are wrong. If you do, show it. If you don't, give it up.

Is there any common ground of stats we can agree on. For example those on male violence?

We’ve already been through this.

How are the stats wrong?

You are very self-satisfied and smug. You don’t care about how your safe spaces harm others - which they do. Your stats are false to suit your distorted view of the world. It wouldn’t matter if you didn’t pose a danger to others, which you do. Marginalising a group and excluding them with quasi-feminist reasons is a disgrace to womankind.

Not sure if 4 is still with us, but I just want to check my understanding.

the question was "what do you want to get out of this thread" and your response was "to get you locked up". Is that correct?

That's extraordinary. Why do you think feminists need locked up?

They are official figures from a government inquiry.

As for your suicide stats. They are tosh. Again. That is not relevant here to my argument.

They are not. Show your evidence otherwise, or give it up.

Especially a space that excludes men who think I'm evil for wanting it.

Indeed. Is responding to my perfectly reasonable request for privacy and safety by threatening to have me imprisoned meant to make me feel safer and more willing to allow the people who behave that way access to spaces where I'm vulnerable? Really?

Like transwomen are more likely to be murderers than be murdered.

Very useful to know when, for example, planning the prison estate.

Also: when planning for transgender prisoners, it should be noted that about half of them will be either sex offenders or Category A (highest risk).

The difference in language is very telling.

We are to be locked up, marooned on an island or condemned forever as evil.

Whereas all I want is to maintain a woman only space.

Especially a space that excludes men who think I'm evil for wanting it.

Like transwomen are more likely to be murderers than be murdered.

Repeating this because it needs to be repeated: transwomen are more likely to be murderers than to be murdered. And I'll keep repeating it as needed.

Actually think this thread is quite useful. If you leave it long enough, motivations become clear, even to people who don't speak the language.

Yes. They are desperate to tell us what they really think ie that we are evil and should be locked up.

Whereas we have no such hate. Just cool calm facts.

Like transwomen are more likely to be murderers than be murdered.

Although I'm rather fond of the transphobic U-boat meme. Filing that one away.

Look! It's a U-boat with screen doors.

Very Newman and Baddiel. "See this Victorian U-boat? That's you, that is"

Personally, I identify as an Aston Martin. Well, I do today. I might very well identify as something else tomorrow.