190cm, 100kg size 15 feet transwoman tries to join women's Aussie Rules football

People saying someone can't play on a woman's team are not obliged to justify that person's playing on the men's team. Playing competitive sport is not a human right. Maybe being transgender sometimes means you can't do that. If your transgender status is that important to you, you'll find something else to do, just like all the men and women who don't play competitive sport for all the other reasons, like not being good enough for the team they're eligible for. FFS.

These are the reasons that men and women's sport are separate:

fairplayforwomen.com/biological-sex-differences

It is due to biological differences in male and female bodies, not because women like to wear pink sports kits and need breaks to re-do their lippy if it gets smudged. Therefore, sports should be split based on biological sex, not whether someone identifies with feminine stereotypes.

Apart from the obvious physical differences, that can never be eliminated, he's taking the place of a woman. The conclusion of which is that women's sport will be pointless.

I don't see a single sportsman being in the slightest bit concerned that men's sport will be pointless.

Because biological sex matters. I don't know how many times it has to be said.

This is interesting
www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/hannah-mouncey-trans-handball-player-sidelined-over-height-fears/news-story/ed49c42c1314d797427a9218c578b1ae
Mouncey was barred from women's handball, unofficially because officials were worried they may not be insured should someone be injured.

Rugby is an example of sport where there is a wide range of body shapes, you don’t calls for weight class rugby when a smaller person gets injured.

Actually there has been a lot of discussion around having different weight classes in rugby due to the increased average stature in the modern game. The athlete here would be playing in the 'higher' suggested weight category in the mans game from what I have seen discussed. In New Zealand they have weight rather than age categories in junior rugby already, to minimise injury and also to give the bigger children the chance to enhance their skills rather than bulldoze through the opposition which is what they do otherwise.

Also to my mind Aussie rules is much rougher than rugby!

He describes himself as a 6"2 transgender lesbian

Or, to put it another way, a straight man

Yes of course size difference can cause injury in rugby. Rugby is a dangerous sport and there have been many initiatives to try and make the risk of serious injury less. Boys and girls don't play rugby together from, I think, aged 11. There's a reason for that. It's crazy to suggest that because rugby carries a risk of injury that means you should take extra risks, because it's already dangerous.

Smaller men would be dissuaded from playing rugby, look at Shane Williams - he was dissuaded from playing rugby for a fair while, and he's 5ft 7 which is above average height for women.

Iamagreyhound - you haven't clarified how a transwoman who transitioned as a teen (so has a 'female' build) should have to play on a mans team purely because they were born with a penis?

In that case, they should just..not play sport. Yet that sounds harsh, but competitive sport IS harsh. People cannot compete for a variety of reasons. Deciding to 'transition' (whatever that means, seems to vary from having SRS and hormones, and curling eyelashes one day) is a personal choice, and just as some decide to take that choice, does not mean the rest of the females in that sport should be disadvantaged.

Transmen competing against blokes are not a problem, as females do not have the biological advantage over males as males do over females. Also I have never seen any stories about transmen forcing their ways into mens sports anyway.

I agree more women should be speaking out about this, I wonder why they aren’t..

They would just be branded transphobic/TERF. Whats the point? So sad.

Broke someone's leg! Surely he won't be allowed to play with women

Its only womens safety, doubt anyone will care.

He describes himself as "a 6"2 transgender lesbian"

Oh look, yet another male lesbian. And people still fall for this bollocks

I don’t think transwomen should play women’s sport but the whole hand wringing because women might get hurt is ridiculous in my opinion. There is risk in any sport, it comes with sport. Is there any evidence to suggest size differences cause injury?

Size differences tend to matter. Boxing and such would not have different weight divisions if that were not the case. Its not the size in this case anyway (though average blokes are larger than average females), its a male playing against females. Males tend to be stronger and faster than females, hence sex segregation in the first place. Its just crazy, that this is not only allowed, but accepted by many as fine.

And of course a larger than average female should be allowed to play. I think the height and weight were just made a point of to emphasize how unfair this whole thing in/ Like the 6ft odd transwoman playing against teen girls in basketball thats often posted on here.

Makes no sense at all to have sports segregated by sex, if exceptions are made to this. Should just have males competing against females in general (and thus, not many females in sports as males have biological advantage).

This is seriously taking the piss.

He was born male, went through puberty male, with the skeleton and muscle structure of a male. No one changed his XY chromosomes for XX. He is male and even if he lives to 100 he will remain male.

I absolutely refuse to call transwomen like this "she".

That even women are fawning around TAs to virtue signal their liberal credentials shows here is some weird Stockholm syndrome going on. It's like a cult where some "charismatic" figure can get crowds of seemingly normal people to believe ten impossible things before breakfast simply by announcing they are the second coming or summat.

What kind of intellectually challenged person do you have to be to fall for this twattery? I'm looking at you Maria Miller.....

Mide, I'm curious. Are you a man or a woman? And have you ever played any contact sports competitively? 'Cos I can't imagine a woman who'd played a contact sport competitively being so completely stupid.

I deeply resent you referring to AFL as ‘basically rugby’.

Miss cocker spaniel said it first and better...

Really nice morningrunner, thanks.

I don’t think transwomen should play women’s sport but the whole hand wringing because women might get hurt is ridiculous in my opinion. There is risk in any sport, it comes with sport. Is there any evidence to suggest size differences cause injury?

Rugby is an example of sport where there is a wide range of body shapes, you don’t calls for weight class rugby when a smaller person gets injured.

Jesus, the notion of how to make men playing on women’s teams fairer . Make them play on the men’s. That’s fair.

How to make it fairer? Simple. XX play with/against XX. And XY play with/against XY. Sorted.

Ok, I'm not that dense. I get why it wouldn't be fair for one player to have a massive physical advantage. I just think it is more constructive to have a discussion about how to make it fairer without a gut reaction of 'no-one with a penis should be allowed on a girls team'.

Morningrunners post is very interesting, and makes a good point about non-physical contact sports like darts and shooting. Should these be segregated at all?

I think it is fairer to assess each case to determine if there is a physical advantage (like the person in the OP) rather than a blanket ban.

In contrast, I really admire this player. To say "I am trans, but I accept that I have a physiological advantage over women, therefore I will continue to play men's football" is to my mind an admirable piece of bravery.

No one born male regardless of size should play on a women's team, because having gone through male puberty they will always have physiological advantages regardless of whether they then take testosterone blockers. This man's extreme size is only relevant because the obvious unfairness is so in-your-face, and the physical danger he poses to the women on the opposing team is so extreme.

Assasinated makes a very good point. What is the point of segregation by sex at all, when half of the women are actually men?
Bet I’ll be deleted for that as a thought crime. Or hate crime. Or sex crime. All getting a bit Big Brother is Watching You.

Does taking puberty blockers and then cross sex hormones create a female build, or simply a less masculine male build?