The UK is officially an intolerant hellhole for transwomen

Well that’s a massive generalization to make on a country based on one experience

That seems to apply to the story behind the thread though.

I'm not sure how to answer your points without derailing the thread further than I already have so. Suffice to say my opinion isn't formed from one experience and includes a number of tragedies.

It's impossible to talk about any country in any way without talking in broad strokes and something as insidious as the day to day way in which gender norms are policed is difficult to measure and compare to support a particular point of view, so I understand I am on shaky ground.

I was careful to say I believe it is one factor in the high teen suicide rates. Cultural disenfranchisement, depression or poverty are important factors but not specific to teenagers. I think their is a culture of bullying 'others' that is difficult to avoid in a school setting and it is willfully ignored.

I'm sure you disagree and that's fine. It's just my opinion. And one I didn't really contribute much to the thread with through my throwaway comment.

A hellhole for transwomen?

Tell that to Phil/Pippa Bunce, Head of Global Markets Technology Core Engineering Integrations Components” at Credit Suisse. Who to goes to work in a dress as a woman some days, and goes to work in a suit and be a man on another.

www.out-standing.org/newsroom/credit-suisse-lead-the-way-on-workplace-gender-fluidity-awareness/

He has made it onto the FT and HERoes top 50 list of people who champion women in business.

The list is to:
"(Recognise) the top 50 senior female role models paving the way for gender diversity at all levels. Nominees will be successful, female executives based in the UK and Ireland, working up to three steps from the CEO."

He is leading the way to "workplace gender fluidity awareness"

As Miranda Yardley (a transwomen) points out "How does a man wearing hosiery, a dress, stripper wig and high heels ‘shine a light on the power and diversity of women in the workplace’?"

mirandayardley.com/en/cross-dressing-all-the-way-to-the-top-where-all-the-transvestites-have-gone/

This man, a married father, who likes to cross dress and has benefited from male privilege all his life, is now used an example of gender diversity.

Miranda nailed it when she asks where have all the transvestites gone? They are rebranded, remarketed, and relaunched as a brave, oppressed minority, representing women everywhere.

Not only is this an insult to women, it shows a quite breathtaking gullibility.

I honestly don't care if someone likes to cross dress. But for the love of God, dont take women for fools and think it, on any level, promotes diversity for women or represents them in any conceivable way.

Many transwomen may well come in for abuse and discrimination, which I condemn, out of hand. But part of the reason for that is the anger inspired by late transitioning men like Bunce, Jenner, Maloney who have spent a lifetime exploiting their privilege to become successful, and then further exploiting that very same privilege to force people to not only accommodate their cross dressing proclivities, but to actually view it as a progressive, beneficial tool for the promotion of women's rights.

Well that’s a massive generalization to make on a country based on one experience. I know a vast number of people who fall outside your “slight transgression” framework who have gotten through life quite well. As for the youth suicide, I don’t know what your qualification is, but I think you could attribute it just as much to cultural disenfranchisement, depression or poverty as to a failure to fit into particular gender norms.

I haven't got it mixed up with anywhere thanks. From my experience, New Zealand is far more intolerant of those who challenge gender norms than here in the UK. Even a slight transgression, like being anything short of an alpha male or an appropriately feminine enough presenting female, is met with suspicion and bullying.

It is one of the reasons that New Zealand has the worst rates of bullying in school and ridiculously high rates of youth suicide.

So not Iran but, IMO, not a safe haven.

Oh, New Zealand, that progressive hub of tolerance, yeah, good luck with that.

I'm sorry, you may be mixing New Zealand up with Iran.

Yep. We're so full of hatred of transpeople that Laverne Cox has just been on C4 news commenting on Harvey Weinstein and sexual harrasment in the film industry.

'the latin prefix non'

Cosgenderfluid: "These are my salad days..."

Errol

Isn't cosgender someone who identifies as salad?

There's that Philip/Pippa person who works in the City isn't there? Some days he's a woman, some days he's a man! Helpfully he wears different clothes and a wig so you can be sure not to misgender him accidentally. Let's hope he doesn't have any blind colleagues

Prosthetic penis or shewee?
Though I guess it would be a hewee then. Wouldn't want to misgender...

That's my take MrsJoyless, like cosplay.

Now, how can we get this excellent new word to be adopted?

Although the woman felt like a female from the age of seven, her single-sex grammar school in the UK was an unending experience of violence, abuse and trauma that caused her to suppress her true identity and conceal it from friends, family and colleagues for most of her life.

This jumped out of the report at me.

In other words, her MALE school peers were horrible, abusive bullies. Male violence rears its ugly head again.

Because many people think it's just frustrated men who can't get sex. They just love women apart from that.

Why isn't rape counted as a crime against women - sex hate or misogyny?

William Wasn't murdered because he sometimes dressed as a woman. He happened to irritate a psychopath who should have been locked up

We all know that, but he's included as the sole representative of trans murders in the UK on Wiki;
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unlawfully_killed_transgender_people

“transphobic hate crimes against LGBTQ people...80%“

Yeah just shoehorn that LGB bit in when it’s irrelevant (have crimes against LGBTQIABCD people risen 80% or have transphobic crimes increased 80%) - always (coincidentally...? ) makes people feel guilty for the homophobia in the past...

Anecdotally, IT workers seem to be overrepresented in the cohort of late transitioners, particularly those attracted to women. I know a few who work in male dominated tech companies who don't seem to have any trouble at work.

William Wasn't murdered because he sometimes dressed as a woman. He happened to irritate a psychopath who should have been locked up. The killer would have picked someone else if William hadn't been there, he was a handy victim.

Yes I saw that felt desperately sad for the poor mother especially that her daughter committed suicide, to lose 2 children is horrible.
They never said why the victim was hanging about the homeless community.

The case of William Lound was featured on BBC2 last night (9pm). He was murdered by a homeless man with MH issues, who handed himself in to the police and said he had wanted to murder someone, and William was the victim because he had (in the murderer's own words) being "annoying" him by going down to where the homeless people were hanging out. After the court case, the victim's mother spoke to reporters and said that William's sister has committed suicide following her brother's murder. It was very sad all round, and the murderer should not have been on the streets, he had been in and out of psychiatric institutions.