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The UK is officially an intolerant hellhole for transwomen

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pisacake · 12/10/2017 09:31

www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/12/british-transgender-woman-given-residency-in-safer-new-zealand

"The tribunal deemed it would be “unduly harsh” for the woman to be forced to return to the UK, where she suffered years of “persecution” due to her gender identity disorder. "

In pleading for the woman to be allowed to remain in New Zealand, her lawyer, Kar-yen Partington, presented 20 articles to the tribunal detailing transphobic hate crimes in the UK.

Recent data from the UK shows transphobic hate crimes against LGBTQ people have soared by nearly 80% in the last four years, with more than one in five LGBT people being the victim of a hate crime in last 12 months.

Just seriously curious if (actual) women have ever been granted asylum for being subject to harassment, which in some countries is very extreme. Or is this more trans privilege?

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QueenOfTheSardines · 20/10/2017 18:47

Oh dear I didn't read all the article - just the first half or so. Yes I imagine that this will be logged as a trans death due to being housed in the "wrong" prison and increase support for people like swifty to be housed with the women.

This person had a lot of mental health issues and in general the suicide rates need serious attention - and self harm - abuse - all of it.

None of this is any reason to put trans women in with women though, and espeically not transwomen who have functioning cocks and / or accusations or convictions around violence against women of any type.

I mean this should be obvious but apparently it's not Confused

Elendon · 20/10/2017 09:51

Regarding sexual attraction I'm with the physical type - it has to be a certain type of person.

I'm no longer sexually active with another person and I'm not expecting to be for sometime soon. However I still find pleasure with myself, so I guess I'm still sexually active.

One thing I do know now, if I'm no longer attracted to that person then I cannot have sex with them. If I'm not in the mood then sex will not happen.

I do not understand those who have 'duty sex' because if you don't then you will lose them, because a strong and binding relationship should recover from 'dry spells'.

Knusper · 20/10/2017 08:28

This Huffington Post article by Ruth Hunt, Chief Exec of Stonewall, is going around on Facebook. 'Britain is no longer considered a safe part of the world for trans people to live in':

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ruth-hunt/britain-is-no-longer-cons_b_18321060.html

EmpressOfTheSpartacusOceans · 20/10/2017 08:27

Hmm, at this rate the UK will have to open its first Cat A prison for women offenders to house rapists, murderers and the like. Be a hell of a concidence if they mostly turned out (barring the odd Rosemary West/Myra Hyndley) to be trans.

That might actually be the perfect way round it.

pisacake · 20/10/2017 01:31

But Theresa May says it's very important for people to be able to change gender at the drop of a hat. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-transgender-not-illness-gender-recognition-act-lgbt-rights-sex-edution-homophobia-pink-a8008486.html So in the future we may never know that 'Jennifer' was actually Jonathan.

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Gingernaut · 20/10/2017 00:12

However, as a 'female', Swift will be added to the statistics of 'females who kill'.

He wasn't a woman when he died but that won't be recorded.

ErrolTheDragon · 19/10/2017 23:15

Women's prison for "swifty" I assume...

No, Doncaster is male.

The fact they've said "legally named Jonathan" is encouraging as it suggests the media are actively looking for ways round Ipso guidelines in these cases. Which I am pleased about

Also the verbatim reports from the eyewitness who was under no illusions as to the sex of the murderer.

TheShaniaTwainExperience · 19/10/2017 22:09

And yes about 'graysexual' Grin

TheShaniaTwainExperience · 19/10/2017 22:08

Sorry I just skimmed so didn't catch usernames but it is younger people that are pushing it. And they are loud about it too. It seems mostly because institutions are scared of being labelled bigot or not inclusive enough. It damages reputations.

They give younger people a bad rep. The irony isn't lost when the people claiming science is a social construct are white middle class 20 somethings that have received redbrick uni education. It's just unbelievable.

nauticant · 19/10/2017 20:09

queen swift hung themselves before they could be charged.

Will they be added to the stats of trans people who have committed suicide because of transphobia?

QuentinSummers · 19/10/2017 20:02

queen swift hung themselves before they could be charged.
The fact they've said "legally named Jonathan" is encouraging as it suggests the media are actively looking for ways round Ipso guidelines in these cases. Which I am pleased about

PricklyBall · 19/10/2017 20:00

In that case, sign me up! (Greysexual that is).

Hmm, at this rate the UK will have to open its first Cat A prison for women offenders to house rapists, murderers and the like. Be a hell of a concidence if they mostly turned out (barring the odd Rosemary West/Myra Hyndley) to be trans.

QuentinSummers · 19/10/2017 19:58

Am I the only one who thought that greysexual meant older people haveing sex? Grin

QueenOfTheSardines · 19/10/2017 19:28

Women's prison for "swifty" I assume...

Datun · 19/10/2017 19:24

I’m heterosexual, but there are definitely times when I’m asexual.

I’m sure there are for most women.

Smile (but still...)

nauticant · 19/10/2017 19:07

I think the explanation was that for an asexual person, the relevant sexual desire that is lacking is towards a particular person.

It would seem that you can have a woman who is asexual while being hetero-romantic and in a long term relationship with her male partner. At times the asexual woman will have a high libido and thus will have sex with her partner. However, the asexuality comes from her not being that fussed about it being him she's having the sex with.

No, me neither.

HornyTortoise · 19/10/2017 18:25

This thread is so odd. The idea of an assexual person with a high libido is almost as hard to get my head round as female penises to be quite honest...

Gingernaut · 19/10/2017 18:09

Anyone seen the latest news about a 'female' murderer....

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-41671870

Datun · 19/10/2017 18:00

I too thought grey sexual was all about Saga generation. Like the grey pound.

I hadn’t thought about as to whether it was the persuer, or the pursued.

Which just goes to show how little I think about any of it.

Knusper · 19/10/2017 16:55

OneFlewOverTheDodosNest That was a massive generalisation on my part but I really hope that you're right. I hope that we're just hearing those who shout the loudest.

EmpressOfTheSpartacusOceans · 19/10/2017 16:30

Am I the only one who thought that greysexual meant older people haveing sex?

I thought it meant being sexually attracted to older people.

OneFlewOverTheDodosNest · 19/10/2017 16:18

Knusper I think there's a stronger focus on the younger generation who complain about all these things because they're the ones who make the noise, complaining about "exclusionary" terminology and campaigning to get toilets changed.

Nobody pays attention to the students who volunteer with St John's ambulance because they've always done that, even though they make up a large proportion of the night crew, but if there's a possible headline of the latest crazy thing being pushed by students (even if it's a group of 30 in a whole uni) then that's going to get the focus.

Knusper · 19/10/2017 15:27

Have relationships, don't have relationships, have sex, don't have sex ... I don't really see the need to come out about it though - just live, why on earth dwell on it so much?

I couldn't agree more. People should conduct their relationships in any legal, consensual way they see fit. Or not, if they're not interested. After that, who cares?

What on earth happened to young people (big generalisation here - sorry Shania!) campaigning on wider issues like poverty, racism, nuclear proliferation, the environment? Identity politics just seems so self focussed.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 19/10/2017 15:14

Am I the only one who thought that greysexual meant older people haveing sex?

Ereshkigal · 19/10/2017 15:08

Yay Shania! Flowers thank you for restoring my belief in the younger generation!

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