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Gender identity changes reality bafflement.

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Jog22 · 04/10/2017 21:31

I copied this to Facebook, it's very clear. Why do only 3 people respond ? I mean I've only got 65 friends as never been a fan of faceache as it made me paranoid but still, they're intelligent people and I'm not even getting abuse. Ahhhh

m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=322300644846752&id=203074990102652

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morningrunner · 05/10/2017 09:42

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Ereshkigal · 05/10/2017 09:39

The government had legal advice at the time of the transgender enquiry that on current thinking it would be hard to justify retaining any sex segregation at all so the exemption would not be used in practice. Even with the stated example of a rape counselling service.

Datun · 05/10/2017 09:34

I agree if they beefed up the conditions and made it crystal clear that this is not a pass, that would work. But I have zero confidence that they will do any of that. They don't understand the implications already.

And make no mistake, the trans lobby will take this as far as they can. The goal is to make men and women indistinguishable in terms of access to previously ring fenced issues based on sex segregation. Otherwise women wouldn't care.

Transwomen are already competing in female sport, already getting transferred to female prisons. Already claiming to represent feminism. Schools and institutions are already allowing men into women's changing rooms. Criminal reporting is already done on the basis of gender identity, rather than sex. No one is taking the slightest notice of the current criteria.

jellyfrizz · 05/10/2017 09:31

GRCs lead to conflation of sex and gender. If trans were the protected characteristic GRCs would be unnecessary.

morningrunner · 05/10/2017 09:30

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KarateKitten · 05/10/2017 09:28

Can you not just accept that some or even many of your Facebook friends simply don't agree with your post? If I saw that on my friends page I'd not get into it with you. We have totally opposing views, and for the sake of respecting other people's thoughts on things I would never make a pointed comment back to you on Facebook.

morningrunner · 05/10/2017 09:26

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jellyfrizz · 05/10/2017 09:26

So what is the point of a GRC?

morningrunner · 05/10/2017 09:23

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jellyfrizz · 05/10/2017 09:20

After all, to use your comparison morning, you don't need a certificate from the government to be protected for a religious belief.

jellyfrizz · 05/10/2017 09:16

How does a GRC protect trans rights? I really don't understand this. We could have trans as a protected characteristic without GRCs.

jellyfrizz · 05/10/2017 09:15

Frankly it wouldn't matter what anyone's motivation might be for getting a GRC; they are STILL would not getting into your changing room.

So, how would you ensure that single sex service is protected? A GRC means that any documentation can be changed to show the opposite sex.

morningrunner · 05/10/2017 09:05

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Datun · 05/10/2017 08:22

Gender reassignment is the current protection, for which there are criteria. Gender identity is the proposed characteristic, for which there will be no criteria.

Frankly, in terms of cultural acceptance, it's a done deal. Men identifying as women are accessing women's spaces already.

If they changed the wording, but kept the criteria, that would be a different thing. You'd still have a diagnosis of gender dysphoria.

This way you don't. Anyone can identify, irrespective of motivation. And there's nothing you can say, because it's protected.

Evelynismyspyname · 05/10/2017 08:11

Jog Savannah Burton is Canadian.

I agree the article you posted is far too long and sense for Facebook. Transgender activists have mastered the sound bite - answering in long, dense tracts won't convince or even keep the interest of people scrolling through a Facebook newsfeed.

morningrunner · 05/10/2017 08:07

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AdalindSchade · 05/10/2017 07:57

Morningrunner being transgender will mean absolutely nothing other than a declaration that one is transgender. So yes, gender identity will absolutely become a protected characteristic. There is no test or evidence required for a person to be deemed transgender.
You say the question is how to ensure robust protection for single sex spaces and women’s sport. That will be IMPOSSIBLE. There will be no protection. Gender identity will be paramount.

SocksRock · 05/10/2017 07:52

Gender reassignment is already a protected characteristic under the current Equality Act. The changes being proposed (AFAIK) will still include sex, but allow people to change their legal gender very easily. Which negates sex based protections.

morningrunner · 05/10/2017 07:49

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Datun · 05/10/2017 07:36

OP, I would take out the bits at the end of each statement that 'judge' - like 'bigot' and 'how dare you misgender'.

You can say you could be accused of a hate crime, or you can be accused of discrimination. But take out the opinion part.

Saying the facts, but remaining fairly neutral about what you think of them in terms of comments, tends to come across as more reasonable, and therefore more people take it in. The facts will speak for themselves.

Some more pictures, attached, that illustrate your point.

Gender identity changes reality bafflement.
Gender identity changes reality bafflement.
AdalindSchade · 05/10/2017 07:17

Sex will be replaced by gender in practice when gender becomes a protected characteristic. That’s obvious!

morningrunner · 05/10/2017 07:13

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busyboysmum · 05/10/2017 00:33

As is this very interesting article:

gendertrender.wordpress.com/2017/03/21/new-zealand-man-gavin-laurel-hubbard-sweeps-womens-weightlifting-competition/amp/

To show that men could just use it to win stuff when they weren't winning as men.

busyboysmum · 05/10/2017 00:30

Sorry that link is about Laurel Hubbard the male weightlifters who is somehow smashing all the women's records. Funny that.

busyboysmum · 05/10/2017 00:28

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