Ian Duncan-smith says unmarried men are a problem for society

Thanks for the guidance John, I'll take it under advisement. Again your male privilege is flapping about the place. It is absolutely laughable that you would think you have the right to tell me how to be. And yet men believe they have every right to lecture women.

I presume you do a lot of work to help homeless men?

No, no one should be callous.

No one.

It was wrong for men to be violent and callous then. It is wrong for men to be violent and callous now. It's wrong for women to be callous now.

It is not a good way for any HUMAN BEING to be.

I'm reading that women should not get on whilst there are poor or disadvantaged men. Women should always put themselves second to men and if they're not, it's not fair and they're uncaring bitches. It's not women running the world is it? Not one word about poor women and how they're currently disadvantaged is there?

Again, I love how women aren't allowed to be as callous as men were, deliberately and with malice, for centuries. Men did everything they could to prevent women from having economic security and independence, up to and including imprisoning them. So if I did see a homeless man and said 'I don't give a fuck' I'd still be a long long long way from what men did. Men have absolutely no right to lecture women on this. No right.

No. And women never deserved their plight either. And yet men didn't give a fuck.

Yeah, but what sort of logic is that? It's like saying that because one group of people didn't care about another then the reverse is OK. Think about what you're saying.

Honestly, if you see a guy sleeping in a doorway and someone says 'poor chap' would you honestly respond with 'I don't give a fuck'?

Nice.

It's funny how men are so worried about people being locked out of the job market only now, when it affects them isn't it? They didn't seem to be too concerned when every single woman was locked out. How odd.

No, my point is that no one should be in competition with anything for anyone. I don't want to have one over on women, or any class of people.

We all equally deserve a good standard of living. No one deserves to be in poverty or locked out of the job market. No one.

No. And women never deserved their plight either. And yet men didn't give a fuck.

Well you do don't you? You're equating women getting on with men like yourself being held down and to you that's bad and women should feel bad and do something about it. You see women taking opportunities from men and in your mind this is not fair.

There are more poor women than men in the world, from your position of privilege what are you doing to help them?

It says a lot about you if you require half the population to be deliberately kept back and more than full employment for the unskilled and uneducated in the other half in order to be able to feed yourself. Women have never had those opportunities and yet here we are, getting on and doing ok.

I'm sorry I require what??

Rape is heinous. I'd have them all shot. But to think this means feminism should be a case of 'now men can enjoy a bit of their own medicine'? You sure about that?

And neither am I sure of this idea that poor men can just sort their own shit out. Some poor people lack the ability to help themselves - they have mental health problems, disabilities, or just aren't as naturally intelligent or educated as you. Or they're traumatised veterans or something. Their is a million and one reasons why someone might be incapable of helping themselves.

Does this mean they deserve their plight? Not really does it?

It says a lot about you if you require half the population to be deliberately kept back and more than full employment for the unskilled and uneducated in the other half in order to be able to feed yourself. Women have never had those opportunities and yet here we are, getting on and doing ok.

Men need to step up, quit whining about being hard done to and sort themselves out. If you're not happy with the opportunities offered become involved in politics and try and do something about it - most politicians are men so it's not like it's full of nasty feminists holding you back.

TheSparrowhawk that's exactly what I was thinking. If men had treated women with decency from the dawn of time there would never have been any need for feminism because equality would have been the norm. Therefore no one would be needing to criticise feminism. Because it wouldn't exist.

Women who complained about their economic situation were just ignored john. So what women did was they got together and fought for every single human right they have now. So if men aren't happy about their economic status, they could do what women did and fight against it instead of complaining. Because if all they do is complain then yes, they are manbabies. Women got what they needed in spite of resistance every centimetre of the way. Men never helped on any occasion, ever, not once. In fact they made it as difficult as they possibly could. Women aren't babies, they just had to go ahead and get it themselves. Men should get off their whiny arses and do the same.

As for being better than men? I do that before breakfast thanks.

Men still run almost everything john. If you're wanting any people to be better, you might be well advised to start with them.

Exactly. There's discrimination and a wage gap right now in 2017 and yet women should be putting men's interests first and foremost. When has a man in power used that power to put women first? Are there any women in power deliberately discriminating against men?

Why is the onus on women to be 'better people' than men?

Raping people is pretty horrible too John but men do that pretty much all the time, every day, in their millions. So I'm ok with not being perfect, thanks.

You do realise he didn't actually say that john?

And no I'm not going to have any sympathy for the group of people who rape 85,000 women a year. Or, to be more accurate, I'm going to have exactly the same amount of sympathy for them as they have for me and as they had for the women who couldn't vote or have a job.

Men don't really like the taste of their own medicine do they?

What is it you think poor men should do themselves? Get a job? Some of them can't. Of course that's not women;s fault in any sense - but calling anyone who complains about their economic situation a 'man-baby' is just so Thatcherite and nasty it's untrue.

'DO IT YOURSELF YOU LAZY MANBABIES.'

'Get on your bike'

Norman Tebbit.

'That's a fair point. Be better than them.'

Oh god, I'd laugh if it wasn't so fucking pathetic.

True. If you're a woman in power and are not single handedly dismantling the capitalist state and creating a new system where mediocre men can rise to the top effortlessly, you might as well get back in that kitchen. What are you even for, as a powerful woman, if you're not using your power to benefit men?

What puts the tin hat on it is that men deliberately prevented women from having jobs and from getting paid equally. They went out of their way to make it happen. And now that men are losing out on the job front (though not nearly as much as women, still) and women are in no way responsible for that, given that most companies and governments are still run by men, women are supposed to do something about it. Why? Why should we? Why do we have to solve everything as well as keeping the human race going and washing everyone's socks. DO IT YOURSELF YOU LAZY MANBABIES.

Men didn't really give a flying fuck when women couldn't have any jobs at all, did they?

That's a fair point. Be better than them.