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Public Health England are looking for self-identified transpeople

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Gingernaut · 03/10/2017 16:41

surveys.phe.org.uk/TakeSurvey.aspx?SurveyID=n65H4793#

This does not bode well.....Confused

Public Health England are looking for self-identified transpeople
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MrsFogi · 06/10/2017 09:34

As a result of this brilliant thread and survey I tried to persuade DH that he was transgender yesterday evening - he's not convinced yet but I'll keep working on it.....we are going to be a very, very special couple, both of us transgender in our own unique way. We will need a lot of special treatment and people will need to be very careful to not hurt our feelings.

misscockerspaniel · 05/10/2017 10:41

Sorry if this is a dumb question but I have to ask: Is this part of the consultation promised by Justine Greening re; the upcoming gender identity proposals? Consultations are (were?) due re; health, education and employment.

Ereshkigal · 05/10/2017 10:31

If anyone feels that description doesn't quite capture the nuances of your unique personal self presentation and lived experience, take a look at the rest of that site. Have no fear there will be a sparklegender for you!

Gingernaut · 05/10/2017 09:56

@Ereshkigal! Nailed it!

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Ereshkigal · 05/10/2017 09:12

I've found our gender everyone! This perfectly describes what we are so we can be special and amazing too and our opinions will count!

Described by the one who coined it as a "gender identity in which you identify as both male and female, yet you also identify as neither, at the same time. You can lean towards any sort of gender expression if you wanted.

gender.wikia.com/wiki/Ambonec

Lancelottie · 04/10/2017 14:31

I'm not totally sure people have always known my sex. Sixties/Seventies upbringing, several brothers, same tracksuit and haircut for all, and four pretty unisex names among the lot of us (think Al, Chris, Sam and Joey and you'll get the gist).

BeyondNoone · 04/10/2017 12:11

Oh yes Errol, I agree. But to be clearer I mean now in cases where children are raised without anyone knowing their sex, they’re not “trans” NB, they’re raised NB. They didn’t “transition” at any point
(Of course I’d say in their nonsense terms I’m “long term NB” too - but people have always known my sex)

Thelilywhite · 04/10/2017 09:14

Done. Not a good example of how to design a survey. Pretty appalling for a public bod I would say . Some questions repeated...

Spinsterf · 04/10/2017 01:20

Completed. I don't identify as any gender, so presume I must be Agender. It's so exciting to find out I'm not just a boring middle aged woman, I'm a special trans snowflake too.

Gingernaut · 03/10/2017 22:34

Oh dear. What have I started? Confused

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NoLoveofMine · 03/10/2017 22:31

surely everyone has non-binary 'gender'. 'Gender' is a culturally defined multidimensional set of continuous properties.

Indeed, this is the reason I refuse to use the term "cis" and worry how many seem accepting of it (as well as why I think this whole issue is so regressive). The notion the majority of us (in fact presumably all who aren't "trans") are born identifying with the gender society ascribes to our sex is quite reductive to say the least.

My sex is female. I don't identify with a "gender"; this doesn't make me any less female. As you said, we're surely all "non-binary" as gender is artificially created and imposed on us.

ErrolTheDragon · 03/10/2017 22:18

What if my sex was assigned female, but (like some kids today) my gender was non-binary all along?

Whereas (excepting rare intersex people) sex is truly binary, surely everyone has non-binary 'gender'. 'Gender' is a culturally defined multidimensional set of continuous properties.

MrsFogi · 03/10/2017 21:03

Comment section for that BeyoneNoone.....Along with ensuring you comment that we need to ensure that statistics based on sex aren't messed up for political correctness related to gender.

BeyondNoone · 03/10/2017 20:48

It assumes everyone is transitioning though. What if my sex was assigned female, but (like some kids today) my gender was non-binary all along? Huh?
Didn’t think of that, did they...

MrsFogi · 03/10/2017 20:14

It's actually quite enlightening - I had no idea but having thought I was sex = female, gender = female I've actually discovered I'm transitioning because whilst my sex remains female I'm pretty fucked off about the impact of the transactivism on women's rights so actually am transitioning from my previous gender to something else that suits me on a daily basis in order to express my pissed offedness.

MrsFogi · 03/10/2017 19:56

Even if your sex is female this is enough to drive you insane trying to fill it out (let alone thinking about gender). I take it everyone is going to do their best to complete the survey to show Public Health England that this is crazy.

LineysRun · 03/10/2017 19:52

I was asked 'sex given at birth' Confused

Ereshkigal · 03/10/2017 19:49

@DadTrans will be impotently raging at some of you.

MyVisionsComeFromSoup · 03/10/2017 18:09

I ticked "other" for "sex assigned at birth", and commented that my sex was noted, not assigned, at birth. I also said that I wanted PHE to use biological terms, as it seemed very difficult to be discussing sexual reproductive health without them, sex being biology.

I identified as non-binary for the purposes of this survey, I don't consider myself to be bound by gender rules. Or maybe that makes me agender? It's so hard to work out how special I am today Wink.

SpaghettiAndMeatballs · 03/10/2017 18:01

It said "Are you a parent (whatever this means to you)? on the pdf one I looked at - sounds like my mother getting a dig in grin

ROFL (my sister for me)

I think they might need still to talk to doctors regarding the reasons for contraception non-usage - I remember an awful thread where a lesbian wanted that acne drug, but her GP wouldn't prescribe unless she also went on hormonal birth control, and no amount of pointing out that she was a lesbian with a stead partner would sway him.

Fairyflaps · 03/10/2017 17:55

It's a survey about reproductive health, so having a specific trans questionnaire makes sense in this context. But it's quite amusing seeing whoever wrote it themselves in knots over the terminology. This is what happens if you conflate sex and gender.
PDF of the questionnaire here if anyone's interested.

Public Health England are looking for self-identified transpeople
SerendipityFelix · 03/10/2017 17:45

Oh I did the ‘cis’ women one earlier in the year, I don’t remember it being for ‘cis’ women though, because seeing as I quite definitely do not identify as a cis woman that would not have applied to me! It had the same daft ‘do you identify as intersex’ question though.

Surely agender applies to all gender critical people?

jellyfrizz · 03/10/2017 17:42

Oh... so there was a survey for 'cis' (sorry) women which has now closed? Was that publicised?

Looks like it got a total of two tweets asking for women - not specifying 'cis' from PublicHealthEngland@PHE_uk on July 24th. Looks like the survey closed on 31st July.

Terrylene · 03/10/2017 17:35

It said "Are you a parent (whatever this means to you)? on the pdf one I looked at - sounds like my mother getting a dig in Grin

LineysRun · 03/10/2017 17:31

'Are you a parent (whatever you define that to be)?'

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