Hugh Hefner dies at 91

Really angry at the way he's being portrayed as some sort of guardian angel in the media. He was a disgusting, seedy, creepy man and I am glad he's dead. One less predatory male in the world.

Rita "But even if you put aside all that stuff about prostitution and vulnerability and assume they were all happy bunnies, it is still about the larger picture"

exactly. And imagine if he had a mansion full of young men.

is the bestiality stuff true?

I hope a lot of truth comes out after his death but people who want to idolise a man like that will still do it.

Has there been any claims that he forced any women to do things. Nope. They did it because they wanted to
Well yes actually there have been claims he gave girls sedatives he called "thigh openers". There were quaaludes, the same thing Bill Cosby gave his victims. There is some suggestion he was involved with some of CCosbys assaults.
www.therichest.com/shocking/hugh-hefners-15-most-shocking-secrets-exposed/
I don't get why we are celebrating him at all. Meghan Murphy nailed it in R4 this morning

But even if you put aside all that stuff about prostitution and vulnerability and assume they were all happy bunnies, it is still about the larger picture. Old men perving on young women / girls and paying them to perform. It sends out a message to our girls that their looks are the most valued thing about them. That their looks are their capital.

And if anyone thinks that's a bit snowflakey and reading too much into it just look to the right and read the recent report by the Girl Guides on the effect of gender stereotypes on girls today. This kind of stuff is harmful.

I remember seeing a cover of Playboy over 30 years ago and thinking "is that what men want from us?". I felt that as a girl. Girls still feel like that today. It's still happening and it still affects us.

The girlfriends have been notoriously cagey about what it all involved. One wrote a scathing tell all biography a few years ago, down the rabbit hole I think it was called. I didn't read it but saw some extracts, her experiences where not pleasant by any means. She did seem to have genuine feelings for the man but he treated her with contempt.

Excellent post Bananas. Sadly you'll never convince some people to move on from 'they knew what they were doing and they were all being paid'. Yeah, poor Hugh, he was the exploited one really

I don't see people hurling abuse at those girls though...

Are you saying you want people to do this?

Of course no one on the feminism board is yelling at the women - yes women, they weren't prepubescent, no need to use the infantilising term - as most of the people here understand the context of their choices.

Funnily enough feminists have slightly more to say negatively about the exploiter than the exploited.

I'm pretty sure all the woman in the playboy mansion and the magazine had minds of their own.
Has there been any claims that he forced any women to do things. Nope. They did it because they wanted to. Just because he was a lot older than them doesn't mean he was always the one in the wrong.
People make their own choices and clearly the women wanted some form of money or fame.

Shocking attention given to such a bad man. But he didn't force those girls/womens into doing anything they didn't want to do themselves.

I don't see people hurling abuse at those girls though...

interesting article by Suzanne Moore

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/28/hugh-hefner-pimp-sue-playboy-mansion?CMP=share_btn_tw

Shelagh Fogarty is discussing this now on LBC. She has suggested that far from being some kind of hero, he was just a dirty old man who abused young women. Good stuff

Sadly, she's discussing Hugh Hefner with Peter Stringfellow That's a vom face by the way. She almost got him to admit that he would not want his daughter to enter his foul industry. She suggested that the young women who were involved in Hefner's businesses went into 'a snake pit' and his highly original response was 'well they were paid weren't they?'. Ick.

Shelagh has slightly ruined it all now by telling Stringfellow that he is 'very likeable'

I'm desperate for Julie Bindel to be the next caller

Only thing Hefner ever liberated was his penis.

Slim True!

Did he have children?

Dan "I'm sorry for his family and that is all."

it's entirely possible they are relieved as well!

Good riddance.

And all the idiots claiming he was some sort of positive force for women's sexual liberation can fuck right off

“We are in the process of acquiring a new moral maturity and honesty,” he wrote while keeping a straight face.

The magazine has all but died since moving online anyway. I wouldn't be surprised to see a resurgence of that stupid logo, we where bombarded with a few years ago. I remember teaching children who where wearing it emblazoned on their coats and school bags. I suppose it will be seen as "nostalgic" now.

I'm surprised you think mentioning the size of someone's breasts in the same sentence as their intelligence is really appropriate for a feminist discussion, OP.

Good riddance. Hopefully this will be the end of his 'magazine' too!

I'm sorry for his family and that is all. A nasty piece of work, can't see why it's news. Who cares?