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FINALLY! The Guardian writes something that is not Gender critical bashing

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AssignedPerfectAtBirth · 24/09/2017 18:20

www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/24/violence-against-women-transgender-debate?CMP=share_btn_tw

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Zoll · 25/09/2017 09:39

The Guardian is a lost cause. Utterly lost. They have swallowed, hook line and sinker, the idea that women are a costume, women are a fantasy, women are things for men to project their yearnings upon, women are an endless sink into which men can pour all their anger into and will never say enough, stop, no more. An idea that has no boundaries and no limits and no true independent selfhood. The Cologne coverage, the child rape coverage, the trans coverage are all of a piece. Women will always come last in the Guardian. The only "feminism" permitted is trivial bullshit about Disney movies or "microaggressions". Real aggression is far too problematic, better devote 10,000 words to a movie where people pretend to beat each other up. Real suppression is far too problematic, better cover a rude t-shirt than things like Speakers Corner or the deselection of Amina Lone (an insidious suppression of Muslim women within the Labour party).

It's weak. Difficult conversations must be had or women will continue to pay the price. I just think they've given up. Tacitly, they think we cannot resolve these problems and so they feed poor women, brown women, Northern women into the fire to stave it off themselves for another day, just one more day.

I have not abandoned hope; I think we can turn the ship. I think we can find just and equitable solutions to these social problems, but we cannot do it without confronting them, without doing the scary, difficult work of facing what is happening in the world.

CancellyMcChequeface · 25/09/2017 09:14

The Guardian has deleted many comments of mine, including those stating that penises are not female and patiently explaining why many women object to being called 'cis.'

It's going to take more than printing one letter to change my opinion of them - and as someone said upthread, a letter essentially saying that women shouldn't face violence from those who disagree with them shouldn't be in any way controversial.

Mumsnut · 25/09/2017 08:39

I know the Daily Mail is off-limits to most of you, but their thinking on the Hyde Park attack has slightly evolved. There's still the assumption that TERFS is what gender critical femininsts call themselves rather than a label pinned to them by TA, but the article is very clear on where the violence is coming from

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4914582/Radical-transgender-group-says-FINE-punch-women.html

And an article on the Bath Spa university decision to block research on de-transitioning.

It's almost as if they're taking inspiration from this board ...

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4916026/University-bars-non-PC-study-transgender-operations.html

I can probably live with that.

MorrisZapp · 24/09/2017 23:37

Too little too late. Their coverage of the transgender stabbing was utterly appalling.

AssignedPerfectAtBirth · 24/09/2017 23:35

Yes well I still have my newspaper delivery so need to walk to the newsagents to cancel. Which will prop take about 6 weeks based on my time to pay the bill Blush.

Will just change it for the Times. There's a sentence I didn't think I would write

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QueenLaBeefah · 24/09/2017 23:31

Nah. Won't be reading or buying the Guardian ever again. It has repeatedly thrown women under the bus and they can go fuck themselves.

Datun · 24/09/2017 23:27

Today 18:41 AssignedPerfectAtBirth

Competition is a great think, dontcyaknow? The Times was on the case before them and it make them look unreasonable

Exactly what I was thinking. Self-interested sexist cowards. And judging by the women on this thread, too little too late.

Terfing · 24/09/2017 21:39

I agree: it is too little, too late. The Guardian threw women under the bus over this, and other issues. For this, I will never give them my money or respect.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 24/09/2017 21:33

I wouldn't give the Guardian too much credit - it's not like they actually wrote it. And in a sane world it would be pretty uncontroversial, speaking out against violence against women.

Fwiw, the historian Tom Holland was magnificent on Twitter earlier.

Blanchefleur · 24/09/2017 20:43

About time! I wonder whether this letter was sent to other newspapers or organisations too?

So, the Guardian is inviting us to 'Join the debate – email [email protected]' . Let's get writing!

theendisnotnigh · 24/09/2017 20:18

Backing,
I wrote and complained to the Guardian. They told me that the reporter was unaware of Lauren Jeska's transgender status -it hadn't come up in court - obviously a reporter with limited skills.
That was also the moment when I parted company with the Guardian - when a paper I respected starts deliberately telling lies and manipulating news to promote a particular ideology, that's the day that I stop reading them.

NotAgainYoda · 24/09/2017 20:06

I also liked Hadley Freeman's piece

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fruitlovingmonkey · 24/09/2017 19:59

That's an awful article backingvocals.
I must say I am enjoying my subscription to The Times. This is far too little, too late from the Guardian.

Backingvocals · 24/09/2017 19:34

Attempted murder. When have you read a similarly sympathetic piece about a would be murderer who all but destroyed the life of their victim ?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2017/mar/17/jailed-transgender-fell-runner-thought-uk-athletics-was-trying-to-kill-her

Ktown · 24/09/2017 19:33

Hadley plus one bloke at the guardian have both skirted around the issue.
Very subtle though - neither have said too much.
I think the argument should be focused on the kids first.
Mermaids is surely going to go the same way as kids company. The sort of dodgy stuff they are pushing isn't going to be acceptable for much longer.

Backingvocals · 24/09/2017 19:30

About bloody time - although it's not their editorial. The way they reported on the attempted murder by a transwoman of an athletics official a while back was the day I stopped reading the Guardian. Will see if I can find it.

Ekphrasis · 24/09/2017 19:17

Yes I saw Hadly's piece- had forgotten that.

Would like to see more from others.

I can't help thinking whether her piece was more 'allowable' since the BBC Gender programme in the summer.

HemlockIsSpartacus · 24/09/2017 19:10

I'm impressed they've printed it

Elendon · 24/09/2017 18:47

I await the backlash to this letter.

Great to see such wonderful women signing it.

It's a start.

AssignedPerfectAtBirth · 24/09/2017 18:45

It's a funny old thing, because women are half the population of the world and trans are less than 1%. Now who would you really want to piss off?

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AssignedPerfectAtBirth · 24/09/2017 18:42

thing Blush

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AdalindSchade · 24/09/2017 18:42

They haven't included the fact that action for trans health, who advised the government on the self identification policy proposal, incited the attack on Maria and tweeted in support of violence against women (terfs). That element is pretty important.

AssignedPerfectAtBirth · 24/09/2017 18:41

Competition is a great think, dontcyaknow? The Times was on the case before them and it make them look unreasonable

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AwkwardSquad · 24/09/2017 18:40

Hadley Freeman last weekend

AdalindSchade · 24/09/2017 18:38

18 months ago they would NEVER have printed that.