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Apparently I shouldn't use the term SEX

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cafeaulaitpourvous · 22/09/2017 14:45

Says DD (30).

It is politically correct to say gender. I told her sex is the biological term for the physical body (dna etc) and gender was a social construct

Nope... apparently we should just say gender

Hmm
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Missymoo100 · 30/09/2017 22:15

Considering how obsessed the modern western world is with sex it is baffling how we are now seeing this bizarre coyness when it comes to the most fundamental essence of sex - maleness and femaleness.

Someone I know that has spent some time studying the occult predicted years ago , and I remember them saying it many years ago, that society would eventually head towards being hermaphrodite, being both male and female and there are reasons behind it.

Missymoo100 · 30/09/2017 21:40

meanwhile everyone is competing as to who is the most oppressed as their seems to be virtue in it and power.

Missymoo100 · 30/09/2017 21:37

Read reference to right wing being opposed to the term "sex"
I think it's the left- they have been waging a war with words for a while.
All they do is to anyone who disagrees with them is labelled a fascist, racist, homophobe, transphobe. They stifle debate with this nonsense.
For example Ben Shapiro, someone moderately right wing, tried to hold a talk at Berkeley college America- and it cost €600,000 to police because of the left turning up to stop it. It's very rarely reported on the chaos they cause. They are a nuisance, speech is violence crap they spout constantly.
People need to re-examine the left and what it stands for.
We're all screwed if Jeremy Corbyns gets in, it's basically communism dressed up. Him spouting we're ready for socialism scares the hell out of me. It's never worked anywhere it's been implemented.

He who controls speech controls the masses

There has been a mission of causing division in the left, constantly telling people how oppressed they are, how western civilizatiom is evil, basically causing tension and I believe the aim is to cause a breakdown of west to rebuild their socialist utopia in its place.
There is a war being waged but people don't realise.

YouCantArgueWithStupid · 30/09/2017 20:54

I’m only a year older than your DD & there’s only one of my friends who’s brought into this gender/sex/trans crap. Don’t worry. There are those of that generation fighting against the penised patriarchy

whoputthecatout · 30/09/2017 20:48

Considering how obsessed the modern western world is with sex it is baffling how we are now seeing this bizarre coyness when it comes to the most fundamental essence of sex - maleness and femaleness.

I wonder if, in 20 years or so time, when the damage they are doing becomes apparent they will be saying "oops, perhaps we got that wrong" or shrugging their shoulders over a generation of damaged individuals.

GuardianLions · 30/09/2017 18:55

What a dangerous idiot Angry
Clearly not an ally of children or parents either

AssignedPerfectAtBirth · 30/09/2017 16:34

There are a lot of them about. Look at this dick who is full on TRA

twitter.com/ZackFord/status/913498400649334784

His Bio says he's gay and a bi/trans ally. Not lesbian ally then?

GuardianLions · 30/09/2017 15:35

I know a gay man who says he hates the word lesbian. In his mind it all sounds 'licky'... I explained to him about Lesbos and Sappho - he had no idea. He is openly misogynist /lesbophobic btw

YetAnotherSpartacus · 30/09/2017 14:53

Guardian - I guess I have always known that ... I've often wondered if those who are more feminist refer to themselves as lesbian and others as gay? Gay is so much more acceptable now though - in popular view it has connotations of love, fun, acceptance and bright colours, whereas lesbian still has connotations of 'unnatural women'.

GuardianLions · 30/09/2017 14:47

Gay men like other men put themselves and their dicks first.

Painful, but true. And all the lesbians who now refer to themselves as gay women...

YetAnotherSpartacus · 30/09/2017 14:45

Stopmakingsense - Yes! I'm sure I have mentioned this before. It is good to know that I'm not the only one who remembers it!

Stopmakingsense · 30/09/2017 14:43

Anyone remember The Goodies' "Gender Education?" Episode - they weren't allowed to use the S E X word - it was the height of the Mary Whitehouse era. It's very funny.

GuardianLions · 30/09/2017 14:30

If someone describes someone as having a 'Gendery' body, is that objectification?
Grin

YetAnotherSpartacus · 30/09/2017 12:20

*Forgot to mention DD is a lesbian. I have tried to talk to her and express my concerns but she says I am being transphobic and unfair.

She has lots of MTT friends and they are all such hard work. Real narcissists...who are not very nice to her*

When will lesbians learn from their history that the gay movement / LGBT isn't for them? They were not wanted in the first place, gay men oh so reluctantly gave over some of their power back in the old days when it was just gay and lesbian and they only did so because they wanted to boost their numbers. During the AIDS crisis, lesbian women were told to put aside their own issues and focus on 'the mens', which they did. They campaigned and made tea and held hands ... only to be completely rejected after. Now they are being told to make way for 'T'. Gay men and trans are not their friends. Ultimately, gay men have male power and they see women as helpmeets and as second class, including lesbians. Gay men like other men put themselves and their dicks first.

AdultHumanFemale · 30/09/2017 11:12

Datun , this is exactly what I worry about, when my local authority, which already opens mandatory training events with rounds of introduction requiring participants to declare preferred pronouns, will impose 'guidance' for language use pertaining to 'gender awareness' in schools. I don't actually have an issue with using preferred pronouns, but it makes me uneasy when it is a blanket requirement to declare in unrelated training context, when nobody is expected to refer to anyone else in 3rd person; smacks of massive virtue signalling.

DJBaggySmalls · 30/09/2017 10:45

BelaLugosisShed
Canadian midwives are forced to speak that way, as trans people are protected by laws including hate speech laws, but women are not.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Act_to_amend_the_Canadian_Human_Rights_Act_and_the_Criminal_Code

ErrolTheDragon · 30/09/2017 10:32

Use 'sex' when you mean sex, and 'gender' if you don't.

My DD is 18 and seems to understand the difference pretty clearly. I was huffing a bit when registering with the BBC that they had a 'gender' choice; she pointed out that if the purpose was to assess or direct your usage along stereotypical lines then in that context 'gender' might be the more appropriate term.

BelaLugosisShed · 30/09/2017 10:32

How is Biology, Human or otherwise, going to be taught in schools without the word Sex?
I actually had a Canadian midwife on twitter tell me that sex is a social construct and she has many pregnant male clients. When I pointed out the obvious, she told me that words mean things and can hurt people Confused
It made me check the Royal college of MW site and NICE clinical guidelines for pregnancy and am relieved to report they still refer to pregnant women and maternal care

Datun · 30/09/2017 09:58

She is clearly confused. Equating sex with gender, once again.

Did she really mean that a child could choose their own sex? Because she didn't seem to make a distinction. She didn't acknowledge that although a child is of a certain sex, they can choose how to express themselves.

I wish he had asked and what happens if they choose the opposite sex? At what point do you perform surgery and render them infertile?

And if you don't, how have they 'chosen their own sex'?

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 30/09/2017 03:40

It has come to a very strange pass when Fox News sounds like the voice of sanity.

pilatesofthecaribbean · 30/09/2017 03:09

Sex is the human body, male or female. We are a sexually dimorphic species, and the existence of intersex people, more accurately described as having disorders of sexual development, doesn’t change that, however much the trans brigade try to glom onto medical conditions that have nothing to do with them to justify their own demands. Gender - a word that should have been left to refer to grammar - is a euphemism for sex roles. And sex roles are a hierarchy, not things one feels or identifies with. They are the enforcement of male supremacy.

AdultHumanFemale · 30/09/2017 02:56

Hm, I am feeling the first icy tingles around the use of 'sex' in my profession (education), so I am using it as much as I can, and correcting sex / gender obfuscation until I actually get told not to. But I know an 'official LA line' must be just around the corner, and I am pretty certain it won't be gender critical.

nauticant · 22/09/2017 18:09

Did you pay any tuition fees for your DD's education OP? If so, do you think you could ask for a refund?

Terrylene · 22/09/2017 17:01

If her friends aren't nice to her you just have to keep modelling proper behaviour, listening, nodding, and saying 'that was not a nice thing to do' in the appropriate places and hope she twigs and moves on. Make sure she has escape routes.

My 'sensible' DD seems too caught up with her brony friends - they are all very 'nice' and fluffy, but you do wonder what is under it. As people grow up, you realise they are only going to look after their own interests. Niceness is as niceness does etc Wink.

deydododatdodontdeydo · 22/09/2017 15:53

If she's lesbian and refuses to sleep with her MTT friends with penises, she may be accused of transphobia, so she'd better be prepared for that.
Things could backfire on her.

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