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TRANS HEALTH MANIFESTO

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ALittleBitOfButter · 20/09/2017 22:35

I'm choking on my porridge. This Trans Health manifesto is...just...gosh.

I've only skim read it but they don't seem to have included Female Genital Mutilation on their list of bad things done to bodies. Interesting!

gendertrender.wordpress.com/2017/09/20/trans-health-manifesto/#more-10439

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Zoloh · 21/09/2017 12:33

Well this is what happens when you apply lit-crit to politics. You kid yourself that everything is a story and all readings are valid. All you need to do is believe it into life. Derrida (and The Neverending Story :P) have a lot to answer for.

Of course we may interpret reality however we like. It's certainly true. One may believe whatever one likes about gravity, after all. However some interpretations may have a self-limiting quality...

SentimentalLentil · 21/09/2017 12:27

This is what third wave intersectionalism does to your brain.
You start thinking EVERYTHING is about you.
They've probably seen a documentary about private prisons in America and got confused.
Because when everything has to relate to everything else you end up diluting everything down to nothing.

AssignedPerfectAtBirth · 21/09/2017 12:26

Found the lady penis on another thread

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/122432396845

QueSera · 21/09/2017 12:20

It sounds totally deranged.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 21/09/2017 12:15

Are we really really sure the Edinburgh branch isn't someone having a laugh / false flag?

I just can't believe anyone could take that manifesto seriously, or believe what they were writing as they were writing with it. It is the stream of consciousness of an unwell person if it is real.

MissHavishamsleftdaffodil · 21/09/2017 12:10

A quick scan down the central ATH twitter feed shows them supporting a protest outside the home office with views represented in the manifesto about prisons and prisoners, which suggests these are widespread and not limited to the Edinburgh chapter.

whoputthecatout · 21/09/2017 12:09

having

whoputthecatout · 21/09/2017 12:08

Jeez. Someone was really have a bad hair day.

Tinycitrus · 21/09/2017 12:06

The harder it is to get, the harder it is to argue against.

Yy to that.

nauticant · 21/09/2017 12:02

The whole point is that you're not supposed to get it. The harder it is to get, the harder it is to argue against.

ArbitraryName · 21/09/2017 11:54

I suspect that there are a few Edinburgh university students with too much time on their hands armed with big words they don't actually understand and an inability/unwillingness to recognise a coherent position behind that chapter's tumblr.

ArbitraryName · 21/09/2017 11:50

I don't think it's possible to get it. Reading that tumblr is very difficult, because it's so full of enormous paradoxes.

Tinycitrus · 21/09/2017 11:50

I want to be the kind of man who gets free leg waxing so he can wear sheer tights to work. (Sorry I'm being flippant -will stop derailing Grin)

ArbitraryName · 21/09/2017 11:49

clearly rules of logic are just a matter of choice too.

Datun · 21/09/2017 11:49

So they're actually erasing themselves?

I don't get it.

ArbitraryName · 21/09/2017 11:47

And 'socially constructed' appears to mean something akin to 'a matter of personal choice' as opposed to being about structures within society.

So apparently rocks don't actually exist, we just choose to think that they do. Or some other utterly solipsistic nonsense.

JassyRadlett · 21/09/2017 11:46

Literally everything.

Even leg hair, then? That's the only logical answer if other biology is a construct. In that case, why the free waxing?

I think you'd need to have a woman gender identity rather than man though after all women are totally hairless above the neck!?

They don't get to tell me what kind of man I want to be!!

ArbitraryName · 21/09/2017 11:43

That Edinburgh chapter tumblr is depressing. Apparently everything is socially constructed. Literally everything.

jellyfrizz · 21/09/2017 11:38

I would be prepared to declare myself a man in return for free waxing under anaesthetic.

IKR? I think you'd need to have a woman gender identity rather than man though after all women are totally hairless above the neck!? I think some people have a strange idea of what women's bodies are actually like. I'm hairier than some men I know.

Datun · 21/09/2017 11:32

Tinycitrus

They've got several different regions covered. I agree, one of them could have just gone rogue. But I haven't seen any of the other regions refuting it.

Tinycitrus · 21/09/2017 11:31

My view is that there may be a wide range of views within this particular group which don't necessarily translate into a group's official policy. I'm really shocked if this manifesto is the standard of 'debate' for this group.

And - having looked at the main site - this group's attempts to close down discussions and prevent people from expressing personal views, especially through use of violence is shameful.

Datun · 21/09/2017 11:18

Tinycitrus

Have you read the previous posts?

This the same group who organised the highly detailed and strategic attack of the woman at speakers corner. They got the previous venue shutdown. They rang round every LGBT organisation to prevent them from condemning the violence.

Furthermore they were consulted on the original transgender equality bill, spearheaded by Maria Miller, the erstwhile head of the women and equalities Parliamentary committee. Their names are on it.

But this

Surely it's simply the lone ravings of a very confused/unwell person

Is spot on. Apart from the fact they're not lone ravings.

Tinycitrus · 21/09/2017 11:15

I would be prepared to declare myself a man in return for free waxing under anaesthetic.

Tinycitrus · 21/09/2017 11:12

Agree about the waxing

Datun · 21/09/2017 11:12

Sadly, it's not made up. Here is their original post on tumblr.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/edinburghath.tumblr.com/post/163521055802/trans-health-manifesto/amp