Woman attacked by transactivists at speakers corner - part deux

Like this?

www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/18/gender.uk

Yeah I was WM xD

I don't have a fetish for animals, honest. Namechanges came about because of a thread about animal behaviours in zoos

enoughisenough12

Except that's what transactivists claim. That they are letting them be their authentic selves.

Whole thing makes my head hurt.

How about we suggest all biological women remove their bodies from the market and leave only trans women for men to mate with. Wonder how many would agree they were women then.....

Datun
Let (our) children be children?

"Privacy for Children"?

I'm trying to think of a name that you can't argue with. No one could possibly say, well I disagree with that.

And tackling the issue in schools is all about children.

The fact that it will also affect adult women, is just an extension.

Most people get far more riled over the thought of their six-year-old daughter standing next to a fully naked man, than for themselves.

I'm not on any Terfy twitter lists 😭😭

That was my first thought re the name tortoise - sadly feminist is a dirty word.

Well done HornyTortoise. Let us know how it goes.

(Did you used to be WM, by the way?)

Sorry about the elderly woman comment too, I don't actually think 60 is elderly at all. Just think it makes more of an impact :S

I posted Magdalen Brns video on my facebook, with this comment

'Nowt but a bunch of misogynistic males wanting to beat on and silence women with legitimate concerns about this ridiculous notion that simply saying one is a woman means they actually are a woman. Its bonkers. Totally backwards and regressive, both woman hating and deeply homophobic too. 'Transing the gay away' is sadly, true. Pushing for children (as young as 3 ffs) to be classed as 'trans' just because they like playing with toys usually associated with the opposite sex, or wearing dresses if they are male and all that crap. These kids are thrown onto 'harmless' puberty blockers, which are actually fucking CANCER drugs. They are not reversible and harmless as claimed, as as soon as a kid is put on this route, 100% of them go onto cross sex hormones (which also have huge health concerns). When if these kids are simply left alone to discover themselves, 80% of them grow up to simply...be gay. And there is no end of support for this? Really? I thought people cared more about LGB people than this tbh. I genuinely think putting kids on puberty blockers and cross sex hormones should be classed as child abuse, not widely supported?!

Transactivists are scum. Woman hating, homophobic scum. And its about time people knew exactly what it is that they are blindly supporting. Transsexual people (those known as 'truscum' among transactivists) are also being thrown under the bus in this ridiculous 'female penis' 'being attracted to the opposite sex OR the same sex rather than 'gender' is transphobic', 'anyone is a woman who says they are' absolute BULLSHIT.

Its a shame elderly women have to be beaten up for this to get in the mainstream press and such. But if thats the way it has to be...so be it. Hopefully more people will open their eyes and have a bit of a think about all of this crap.'

Let the abuse commence. I am now openly TERFy on social media

@NYConcreteJungle Battle for the sexes.

The DfE have relevant leaders names in their published forum documents.

How about something about Men and women fighting for their sex?

I think we need to be focussing on MPs in terms of letters. And maybe the Press and the organisations responsible - ie the Department for Education, the NHS, local government. Letters to schools will (in my experience) be binned. We should be looking to ensure that our 'leaders' and those responsible for organisations are aware of the current levels of 'indoctrination' and the active suppression of reasoned debate as well as the potential for active harm being done to some children.

Something that's interesting about Lupron (puberty blocker) is that its use on kids is already being fought by a group of women, now adults, who were prescribed it in the 90s and 00s to treat precious puberty. www.revealnews.org/article/women-say-drug-used-to-halt-puberty-has-ruined-their-lives/

What's even more interesting about these cases is the finding that a huge percentage of those treated were not, in fact, suffering precocious puberty. They were just short. This struck me because there's a long history of tall girls being "treated" with oestrogen to stop them growing. ( How tall is too tall? On the ethics of oestrogen treatment for tall girls ) despite this causing lifelong health effects.

It all starts to look like the pathologisation of difference, doesn't it?

I don't think having feminists in the name is a good idea. A lot of people think of feminist as some kind of dirty word. Wrongly, but thats how it is.

Women, or even better females...would probably suffice. Though a lot of males will be on our side in this...shame 'people' is not sufficient :S

Do we still want it to be feminist associated- thinking of names here

Rational feminism
Gender free females
Factual feminists

All crap probably

A create a letter
B create a list of schools and MP
C sending the letter
D create a name for this group of concerned members of the public, formally known as TERF?

Some sort of concerted organisation is definitely needed. A letter clearly laying out some facts to contradict the current dangerous be a good place to start but it would take very careful wording to get right .

I agree with nauticant - teachers (and maybe even social workers) haven't joined up the dots. I believe that the fear of being seen as transphobic is so massive that they suspend their critical thinking and just haven't realised. I bet that GIREs or whoever does their transphobia training turn up and lay down the ground rules ' no transphobic comments, no misgendering, dead naming etc' and this group of adults who are normally bloody challenging when being trained are so out of their comfort zones and so anxious to be seen as accepting and kind that they just accept the psycho babble rather than challenging the propaganda and untruths.
As we know, finding out the real statistics about suicide is bloody difficult so in a training session, who really knows that the statistics used are misleading?

It would be beyond awful if your husband got into a tussle with a trans woman I don't think that would do the cause any favours at all and I think if he's that passionate about it he should probably stay away.

Yeah probably. He did say that if anything came of it, he could simply say HE was a self identified transwoman

He has shared Magdalen Burns video about this on facebook. Absolute silence so far. But we are expecting a comment from at least one person...as he had this argument out in person a few weeks back, and even tually, running out of options, the person arguing for the TA version of stuff...went home in fucking tears. It really was a sight to behold...I mean my husband wasn't aggressive or anything throughout the conversation (between close friends, not random strangers). The guy seemed to be getting it at one point when it got into the whole 'lesbians are transphobic for refusing dick' as the person he was arguing with is actually a gay bloke...but it turned back around when this guy basically said that was all bollocks and its easy to just say no...and its in no way transphobic to prefer one sex. To which my husband pointed out that having the view that its entirely fine to be attracted to one SEX is actually transphobic...which was when the guy started crying, shouting transphobia...and eventually stormed out.

A lot of work to be done tbh

If a standard letter was sent to every school and MP, setting out the issue, they couldn't all claim ignorance anymore! There is no actual group named TERF to do this though.

There is some awareness but I'm not convinced that teachers, politicians, etc have joined up the dots and really understand the consequences of what they're pushing through.

I think they're worried they're going to be left behind and thus find themselves on the wrong side of history like the bigots who were homophobic and encourage persecutions, and this fear is rushing them along without properly thinking about the destination.

In my view it's more unforgivable negligence.