Woman attacked by transactivists at speakers corner - part deux

Which is why it would be logical for there to be no qualifications. That is, nothing beyond having a pink or a blue brain.

The problem though is that if it becomes clear that no qualifications are required, the meaningless of the state being transitioned into becomes apparent. Tricky.

The problem as that once you start looking at the required "qualifications " - as you've described friends experiencing - then it becomes even more obviously gender stereotyped.

I had a similar experience, sentimental - a friend told me she'd had to go down the "twinset and pearls" route for a couple of years to convince the psychiatrists - when I knew her she'd settled into a much more comfortable setup of jeans and blouses/kaftans (it was that sort of time and that sort of student environment). I also noticed it with a workmate who transitioned - again, during the transitioning process, she obviously had to conform to what her psychiatrists thought a middle aged woman should look like - she now dresses a lot more to suit herself and looks a lot more comfortable (again, trousers a lot of the time).

I seem to remember when a family friend transitioned about 10 years ago he had to wear a skirt for two years and I remember thinking it was stupid at the time.

“What does that mean in 21st-century Britain? That you wear a skirt?”

Logically (stop laughing at the back) with the dozens of genders and the many freedoms they bring, it would be transphobic to insist on a particular style of garb to qualify.

I suspect, if it comes down to it, that qualification will extend to a person having had a firm idea in their mind for the necessary period. Chances are, all they'll need to say is that they've been "consistent, insistent, and persistent" to themselves for a couple of years.

It may be worthwhile issuing Mr Corbyn with a personal invitation to the meeting in Brighton.

Janice Turner's follow-up.

One that doesn't think very deeply.

How can anyone, especially a political leader, identify a need for women only carriages, on the one hand. And on the other, support a law that says any man can use them!!

Have just received a package containing my copy of Female Erasure. This is from the foreword, by Germaine Greer -

“Femininity is a de-sexed masquerade”.

I get what you're saying Albatross. Reminded me of another useless fact I learned today that pigs are private animals and will allocate a private area in their barn as their 'bathroom', so no other pigs can see them pee!

Female only train carriages, or 'women' only? I expect he meant self identified 'women'. Ugh its infuriating. There doesn't seem to be any party that will actually speak up for female people..not even the fucking Women's Equality Party, which is terrifying tbh...

Jeremy Corbyn apparently floated the idea of women-only train carriages during his 2015 leadership campaign, although this suggestion, when made recently by Labour MP Chris Williamson, was derided (and rightly so, IMO). So maybe safe-guarding women-only spaces isn't a lost cause with the Labour leader.

Ok the joke seems much more offensive than intended (actually wasn't intended to be offensive) and my point got lost so I've reported my post and apologies if anyone interpreted that to mean I'm calling trans people animals or pigs in lipstick - I'm not - I just thought it underlined that changing things on the surface doesn't change the underneath. Maybe just a little too close to the bone and my ASD clouded my ability to see how it would look

Just saw this and it made me think, and in no way am I likening any person to a pig, simply made me laugh in a guilty sort of way

I don't think you will get anywhere with a hard left Labour leadership. I can't find the information, I recall that labour want to make a new rule to be voted on at conference, that if anyone gets offended at anything another says they will be kicked out of the party, even if offence wasn't the intention.

Thank you Datun
I have appointment to have tea with my MP - Asian woman - within next couple of months and will share my fears with her face to face

I thought it might be. I emailed him back straight away with this:

"Thanks George
So what's the gender audit on the Gender Recognition Bill in so far as it affects biologically born women then please? My take is that it will be so easy for men to claim they feel like they are a woman and then invade women's spaces. I do think that women will be treated far worse than they are today. Just in general.

If you can't talk about the disadvantage that your sex affords you, that disadvantage becomes accepted.

Trans-women may compete against each other in sport as 'women', and actual women won't be able to compete, or if they do are guaranteed a bottom of the table place. In many sports women don't get the recognition they deserve already, and so it will become an even more male dominated arena than it is now.

There will be regular stories in the press about 'women' attacking other women. Rape and sexual assault will be recorded as being committed by far more females than ever before. And although a lot of people will know that they are men, if it is never reported as such, there will just be an assumption that female crime is on the up, particularly sexually violent crime.

We know that already in prisons there is a disproportionate amount of rapists claiming to be women so they can be considered to be moved to women's prisons where they will have access to the very people their crimes are against.

And pointing these things out will be deleted in below the line comments, online, everywhere, because it will be considered a hate crime.

If enough people are legally recorded as women, who are actually men, health statistics will change. The incidences of female health problems will go down and the funding will be cut.

In fact, statistics generally will be skewed. To women's disadvantage.

Giving men the legal status of women, based on gender identity, means that sex based protections no longer exist.

You will not be able to sue for sex discrimination on the basis of the fact that you are a woman.

Say your company has a diversity quota. Six men and six women on the board. That could be six men and six transwomen. And their diversity quota will be filled.
All the above is happening now but with this new legislation no surgery will be needed, no diagnosis by a doctor, no hormones need be taken. 95% of trans women are in fact fully intact men.

Please respond. I need to know how the party I voted for last election is handling this very important issue. I don't want to be fobbed off with platitudes."

A lot of it copied and pasted from much more eloquent posters on here as you might recognise.

@busyboysmum that’s exactly the same bullshite letter I received from “George”!

midshiresmum

That's part of the problem. There is no one, big cohesive organisation. Just lots of pockets of people desperately trying to make their voices heard.

My post at 10:15, above, gives you contact details re a meeting. If you don't want to go to the meeting, you can still ask to join the group.

It's complex, isn't it? By erecting the all-inclusive trans umbrella, this means that the AGP are in the "same" group as 5 year old girls wanting cars from the toyshop or the lovely, shy, effeminate, and confused 14 year old boy who wouldn't harm a fly.

Human shields or what?

An effective campaign would need to bring forward for criticism the harmful parts while making clear that the "softer" parts of the group are not the issue and deserve compassion and suitable treatment/support etc. (And that's reality-based support, ie not that a small boy wearing a dress has transformed into a girl.)

I'm sorry if it's being dense, but is there any official type organisation speaking up on this issue? That I could google/join/attend/raise awareness for?
I cannot believe the consequences for natal women in the long term
It's intolerable that what has been fought for is all going to be erased by this movement and women are going to end up as third class citizens
The TRA violence is frightening

Which raises another point. Are the transwomen who want to sleep with women and those who want to sleep with men equal in terms of driving the most harmful parts of the trans ideology?

No. And that is where the polarisation of opinion occurs. Lots of people know transwomen who are gay and are perfectly harmless with no intention of violating women's boundaries. Or saying they are actually, biologically women.

The transwomen who say they are biologically women, have to say that, in order to coerce lesbians into sex. They can't identify as a woman, and then sleep with a woman as a man. That's why they don't go after straight women, either. It doesn't validate their female identity.

HornyTortoise: "Will they try this shit on straight men though, surely they would anticipate the 'fuck right off' reply and know they wouldn't be able to guilt and shame and threaten them into possibly doing it the way they can with lesbians"

Am sure you're right about this. A lot of this is driven by hatred against women - it's always transwomen demanding their right to have sex with lesbians, not transmen demanding the right to have sex with gay men.