The Daily Mail's take on Wednesday's violence

I don't know if its possible for people to then c&p those links and use them elsewhere...

Here's the link you need
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/university-of-bath-bars-research-into-transgender-surgery-regrets-ddxxlbfzh?shareToken=70783742c12799b39e2f10664c486806

And here is the comment on it, by the ever-cogent Janice Turner

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/even-asking-questions-is-now-transphobic-ztk3rlrfk?shareToken=28c0436fcf3ec5c31efe376d1b74f8f5

Searabbit - on the ipad app its the icon in the bottom right with the arrow, then click copy; I just checked the mobile app and on that there are Save and Share links near the top of articles.

It's behind a pay wall.

But there seems to be a trend.

The 60 Minutes programme in Australia pulled a segment about a detransitioner at the last minute, having advertised it all week.

Australia’s 60 Minutes program failed to air a segment on a transgender teen Sunday night after advertising it all week. The promoted story featured a young man named Patrick Mitchell, who was administered estrogen tablets from the age of twelve by his mother, Ali Mitchell, after she obtained the prescriptions under false pretenses by claiming they were somehow needed for herself.

“Patrick Mitchell tells: “I transitioned into a girl… now I’m a boy again”

This Aussie schoolboy started growing breasts and transitioning into a girl at just 12 years old – before he realised he made a terrible mistake!

Now a feminized 14-year-old male teen with breasts, Patrick says he was misdiagnosed, and is seeking to reverse the changes.

gendertrender.wordpress.com/2017/09/05/australias-60-minutes-pulls-teen-detransitioner-story-ahead-of-same-sex-marriage-vote/

I'm not entirely sure of the significance of pulling it before the postal vote on gay marriage, but I think it's because it is seen as all part and parcel of the same thing and they didn't want to affect the gay marriage vote.

The mother said :

"When you won’t blink an eye at your son marrying a 6’4” broad shouldered bride with facial hair and an Adam’s apple … maybe – and only then – then comment on ‘what you would do’"

Which I don't really understand. But it sounds like she is less concerned about an internal sense of gender than she is about what the neighbours might say.

Perhaps someone else will understand that comment better than me though.

Either way, detransitioning stories are being stamped on.

Sacrificing children for the sake of upholding a flawed ideology.

The Times has a news item about Bath Spa withdrawing permission to carry out research into people regretting changing gender. I haven't seen this anywhere else:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/university-of-bath-bars-research-into-transgender-surgery-regrets-ddxxlbfzh

[If that doesn't work, can the pp who mentioned you can share a Times link please let me know how? I'm on the MN App so can't scroll back.]

Turner has has quite a few good columns on gender etc in the past couple of years, and the Jenni Murray interview was in the Sunday Times. However, they also have Libby Purves who is can be good but a bit behind the curve on trans I think. And then there's anti-feminist Melanie Philips. Anyway, enough different voices to blow the murdoch anti trans conspiracy theory apart.

ErrolTheDragon

Thank God someone is. Although I don't remember the times publishing articles like this, much before. So I'm grateful to them, too.

Her head has been well above the parapet on this for a long time, I think.

Well done Janice. She must have received such a backlash for her original article. This has brought out the warrior in her.

The conspiracy theories are ludicrous, but they are also dangerous. You get the no smoke without fire brigade.

I hope people look at the videos and make up their own minds.

Searabbit - ah, I was thinking of linking to that - despite the paywall it can be done. I found completely by accident that the times app lets you copy and share a limited number of links (I still don't know how many per day/week) - not many people seem to have found this yet.

There was a brief article in The Times today by Janice Turner, who was actually there, talking about the lies that are being spun. I can't link because of the paywall so here's the text:
JANICE TURNER | NOTEBOOK
september 21 2017, 12:01am, the times
Conspiracy theories silence the brutal truth
janice turner

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It is a bizarre experience as a journalist to witness an event which then spins off into a myriad of conspiracy theories. I wrote on Saturday how a feminist campaigner was punched at Speakers’ Corner by a trans rights activist. A video online confirms what I saw with my own eyes.
To recap: a woman taking photos had her camera snatched and, while wrestling with the snatcher, was smacked in the head by a tall, male-bodied person in make-up. (I can’t confirm if the assailant was male or a trans woman as s/he legged it before we could discuss pronouns.)
This was a simple, prosaic, spontaneous fracas. But since it is dire publicity for trans activists, affirming the long-held feminist view that their cause is drenched in aggressive misogyny, the fake news machine cranked up. Since then I’ve read some fabulous theories from people as far flung as Seattle: that feminists employed professional actors to play violent trans women; that the victim started it by strangling a campaigner; that I was there not to report on an issue which interests me, but personally tasked by Rupert Murdoch to stage-manage anti-trans propaganda.
Whoosh, down we tumble into an underworld of distorting mirrors, where inconvenient truths are dissolved in the acid of unreason.

Ian Brady is dead I think you mean Ian Huntley pp

I think this is probably because the sky news woman said Ian Brady to start with, before being corrected then laughing about how it would be pretty hard for Brady to be shifted to a female prison

Ian Brady is dead I think you mean Ian Huntley pp

My first thought at that article was 'grrr' because they've made it sound like a catfight and misunderstood the reasons.
However, on reflection, they have done a pretty reasonable job at explaining the chain of events. They haven't fallen for any of the transactivist shit about Maria starting it and certainly haven't attempted to make out she deserved it for daring to be a terf.
Also, the video they have embedded includes captions which make it very clear how the beating proceeded, and explain the chain of events with the attacker trying to steal her camera. If you don't understand about the camera it is quite confusing to watch which is why elsewhere on the internet some people (Owen Jones, I am looking at you, you should know better) have fallen for the rewritings the transactivists are trying to put about.

I don't get it either. All those new terms to learn. Carceral feminism. what's that.

It's a terrible article. The writers clearly don't know or understand the subject matter.

That said, they get a round of applause from me for daring to report the issue!

Seems anyone who raises questions about trans activism is labelled a terf

Yeah, the inaccuracy of it drives me mad seeing as trans men are very much covered by feminist action -low vat on sanitary products, abortion rights, etc.

Seems anyone who raises questions about trans activism is labelled a terf

The headline has changed again:

Ladies, ladies! Fists fly in politically correct punch-up after transgender activists try to turf the TERFs ('Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminists') out of Hyde Park

It seems the headline has been changed.

BetsyM00

Ooh good. I'm glad you've got a record.

Totally relevant, perhaps the DM would like to print the whole thing. They might have to explain what 'carceral feminism' is, never heard that term before ... hard to find a definition but it seems against male violence which you wouldn't think from that juxtaposition.

Oops, though still relevant, I've posted on the wrong thread. Too many tabs open, sorry.

I know, Datun. Specific lines were lifted from a statement they made last Wednesday night on their Facebook page:

"We condemn violence against women in all forms. We do not collaborate with police and those who do are implicated in the institutional and continuing violence against gender non conforming people, particularly trans women of colour, who also face the intersecting violence of racism and transmisogny.
There was an incident this evening which will be hatefully and wrongly depicted by TERFs as male violence. Do not be deceived by violent attempts to discredit and erase our struggle.
Our fight for Trans liberation is and always will be a feminist battle, and will be fought alongside the struggles of sisters and siblings across the world for an end to the violence against women that is perpetuated by cisheteropatriarchy. Let no one be deceived that they are fighting for all women if they are not fighting on these terms.
We're proud that today many self-organising activists, allies and supporters stood united against hatred, misogyny and intimidation. NO TO MALE VIOLENCE, NO TO CARCERAL FEMINISM. WHEN THE TERFS ATTACK, WE FIGHT BACK."

Maybe the DM would like, for balance, to add a statement along the lines of:

A bunch of ordinary women would like to say: ‘We condemn violence against women in all forms. We’re proud that these ordinary women stood against hatred, misogyny and intimidation on our behalf. We're sorry that while doing so they were subjected to physical violence, hatred and intimidation, arising from misogyny. '

Action for Trans Health London issued a statement saying: ‘We condemn violence against women in all forms. We’re proud that many self-organising activists, allies and supporters stood against hatred, misogyny and intimidation.’

Nope. This is the group responsible for the violence. This is the group who called transactivists to arms in the first place. Who rang around trying to find the venue. Who 'liked' the let's fuck up some terfs comment.

The statement they put out the next day put the blame firmly on the victim. And just saying they would never put up with violence towards transwomen.

It's since been deleted.

That quote was designed specifically for that article. It is the complete opposite of what they said. Because it is they who committed the violence.

It's all documented. See link.

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