What causes women to become trans activists?

Kids know fuck all these days. They do what they want during their childhood.

Quite a blanket statement

People seem to say "gender" so often when they mean "sex", so often I think it's said more than "sex". It's pervasive and I agree whoputthecatout is colluding with substituting the two and so suggesting "cis" is accurate, that most identify with the gender roles imposed on their sex.

Kids know fuck all these days. They do what they want during their childhood. Sure parents give them Roald Dahl and other stuff but they didn't have to endure The World at War sixteen times out of sheer boredom, Zorro, Cowboy films and the infinite number of war films etc that taught you something other than what was designed to entertain

Or go to the library to read anything because there was fuck all else to do.

Sorry. Old git mode. Bedtime, I think

The cult seems to have grown alongside the practice of substituting gender for sex. Whenever I have to fill in a form asking for my gender, I cross it out and print sex.

I was watching a news item on the Beeb today - can't even remember what it was - but they were referring to gender. I just wanted to scream "you mean sex, stupid" at the telly. . Actually, it's not funny..all this collusion with misnaming sex.

There are young people who don't agree and see it for what it is, of course. I feel like I should be a lot more vocal in opposing this amongst those I know of who've taken in the trans activist line than I am. It's not always easy though.

I suppose every generation has its causes. When I was young it was CND and ban the bomb.

Now it's fashionable to pretend that men can be women. Talk about turkeys voting for Christmas.....

I had a very bruising encounter with some of them recently, was shocked at their ignorance of mainstream feminism and dismissal of older feminists in a Pol Pot Year Zero kind of way. They scared me tbh. I think educational standards have become dumbed down and postmodern shite has taken over a lot of campuses. I often disagreed with older feminists (as in 1970s generation, I was a 1990s student) but I never told them to go fuck themselves or called them names. I assumed we were on the same side and respected their time in the trenches. This new shit I can hardly grasp....but it's a gift to men isn't it?

If you can be convinced that someone with a cock and balls can be a woman then you can be convinced of anything.

Crude but true imo.

I suppose it's similar to any of the off the wall cults - lots of people who have lost all critical sense being brainwashed by a few 'leaders', in this case TAs - otherwise buggered if I know. The level of stupidity, flying in the face of all scientific knowledge and basic biological facts, is, indeed mind boggling.

When I was at uni it was the done thing to march and campaign against stuff so I went on marches against the Criminal Justice Bill, sat in trees protesting against bypasses, etc.

Now it seems like Transactivism is the next big thing for young, female, student types. Gives them an identity and a purpose in life.

It's a trendy cause of the moment. They think they're been right on.

I think a lot of the female transactivists see it as a natural next step after gay and lesbian rights. Plus more exciting, as in the middle-class urban circles they mix in everyone is totally accepting of gay and lesbian rights, whereas with the trans thing there is all the excitement of fighting for a cause against all the evil blinkered TERFs who just can't accept the idea of people being able to live the way that's natural to them.

It was said brilliantly on a twitter post someone shared on MN today about last night's beating up of a woman (can't find it, sorry)

Victim's violence: noticing biology

TRA violence: four attacking, punching, knocking to the floor, stealing camera, fingermarks left on throat, bruised face

Also the fact that the fuckwits manage to convince themselves that men can become women means that they will believe and endorse any manner of shit thrown in their path

They're ok with being a feminist but not one 'like that'

I definitely think that's the case Olennas. It's incredibly frustrating because it means they won't engage meaningfully or consider facts, consider how regressive it is to suggest being a woman is a feeling and so much else, more invested in ensuring they're not considered "TERFs".

I cross-posted with NoLove...

I also think that not many women want to define themselves as "radical feminists", and if to question the TRA ideology makes one a TERF then not many women will willingly want to apply that label

When I think about it I'm quite wound up about how much some have taken in the trans activist line. I think many discuss and share posts about how it's "actual violence" not to use preferred pronouns etc than, er, "actual" male violence against women and girls.

TRAs have managed to hone their message in a very social media friendly way.

Unless you engage with it in a more meaningful way, it's very easy to hear things like "80% of trans children try to commit suicide, only living as their preferred gender can make them happy" and "transwomen are more likely to be murdered than any other group on earth" and take it at face value as something so awful that of course everyone should be prioritising this group over all others.

Plus, for those who have come into it through university / student politics, there are a number of fairly charismatic TRA leaders around, which makes the message more compelling also

I don't know how widespread it is, but I read one former supporter say that she'd been totally taken in by the elision of "misgendering is literal violence and TERFs kill transwomen" and "transwomen suffer a higher murder rate than anyone else" and had actually come to the conclusion that "TERFs" were killing transwomen.

I think this view is quite widespread and it's alarming how much it's taken hold. I think this is largely due to vocal trans activists on social media who, along with their supporters, attack and shout down any dissenting opinions as being from "cis" or "TERF" "scum". This is also something many see and wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of, so keep quiet or ally themselves with those saying it.

And she claims to be a radical feminist and brought me up on a diet of Greer and Dworkin she really should know better.

Urgh my Mam is like that. She runs groups for transexuals and mothers them all. It's weird.

In a group I used to run which was about half LGBT, we had one trans member and a group of older women who came over all motherly and protective of them, spent a lot of time nurturing them and fought their battles for them. They were fed a lot of TRA information, recited a lot of it with no real idea of what it meant or the implications, but when the leaders and I committed an act of 'transphobia' (gently explaining that the rule about not spamming all members with off topic email did apply to them too, as they kept sending out TRA propaganda to everyone- they should have been excepted from this rule as this was 'a ban on trans positive messaging' apparently) the trans member didn't say a thing, but quietly wound up the women, told them what to say and set them in the direction of the group (volunteer) leaders who worked damned hard for that group.

It was a very much women dominated group and any male members ended up with a tribe of doting older women hanging on their every word. It was also the case (used to drive me nuts) that if one of the women leaders gave information or put out a notice, there were some women members who would insist they didn't understand until one of the male leaders said it. On one occasion one of the male leaders copied and pasted exactly what I'd said: it was perfectly apparent that it didn't count until it was heard from someone with a penis.

I don't know how widespread it is, but I read one former supporter say that she'd been totally taken in by the elision of "misgendering is literal violence and TERFs kill transwomen" and "transwomen suffer a higher murder rate than anyone else" and had actually come to the conclusion that "TERFs" were killing transwomen. It was only once she escaped the cult she discovered that in fact it was genuinely violent, genuinely transphobic men who were killing transwomen, mostly black and ethnic minority transwomen in the sex trade - in fact the same violent, misogynistic men that kill women.

I hate to admit it even to myself but I reckon if I was a young women instead of a middle aged harridan now, I would be in danger of being swept up by the TA's.

As a young women I had poor self esteem, poor boundaries and a chronic case of caretaker/rescuer-itis. I likely would have seen them as a marginalised and oppressed group and may have felt compelled to stand up for them. I've always had a modicum of critical thinking ability so I hope I would have eventually seen the light but then I suppose it depends on how much indoctrination by the transborg a person is exposed to, as to whether they could extricate their thinking.