Calling all London Spartaci!!!!

I've just seen that the camera was on a wrist strap, that does make the video make more sense! As with everything they'll claim she somehow started it, their lack of critical thinking skills is beyond infuriating. I would have been there myself but had work training I couldn't get out of

It is disappointing, timbuktu. It's a common tactic though- TRAs frequently refuse to share a stage with gender critical people. I'm aware of a number of in person and TV debates that have been pulled because they won't show up.

Then they take to twitter an claim it's because they're afraid of violence, or can't debate with people who "want them erased". There's never any evidence to support this fear. And there's no record that I'm aware at, that a feminist has ever hurt or physically threat ned a transactivist.

They won't debate it because they can't. All they have is emotional blackmail, suicide threats, dodgy stats and hyperbole. The gender crit community would LOVE to properly debate the issue, like rational people.

And now, the actions of this violent group of thugs is being defended on twitter because apparently, the woman who was attacked had said mean things. Think about that- it's ok to hit a woman if she says mean things.

Who could possibly be OK with that? Really?

The TAs trying to discredit the victim have said she taunted them and hypothesised that actually the far right set the whole thing up (lol). But nobody has accused her of having initiated the physical side of the confrontation, so I think there must be enough witnesses who saw that that definitely didn't happen, for them to know that wouldn't fly, iyswim.

wowl

To be honest, I'm struggling to make out the details on that video myself. It's beyond frustrating that the woman who is filming gave her camera to a stranger to go to the aid of the other woman. And the stranger was all over the place with her filming.

I do know that woman who was beaten had her camera strapped to her wrist. So when they tried to take it it was attached to her. I can't tell whether that is evident from the video.

She retrieved her camera eventually, but the memory card had been removed. So that's theft, right there.

From what she has said, she tried to defend herself and stop them taking her camera. Women defending themselves is a red flag to a man. And it looks as though they were more than happy to have the ante upped as it gave them an excuse to beat her.

To be honest, they are so goading, that I imagine this is the goal.

wowl I'm sure she said on the other thread that the camera was attached to her wrist on a strap, so imagine that was why she seems to be holding on

To be honest I was a little disappointed that everyone from the other side pulled out. It meant the event was very much preaching to the converted. I didn't feel like I could have brought a neutral person along and peak transed them. If we'd actually had a debate then people would have been able to see the gaping holes in their logic. I guess that's why they have to use violence to shut things down instead.

Sadly things were cut short quite a lot so it's not really a reflection of the event as planned. What was amazing though was the chance to meet other work and talk in the pub afterwards. There were some great people there and it was lovely to make some new friends and feel part of a community.

Wowl, if you read Maria's own account posted at 4.26am on the other thread it is all clearer.

The woman who was beaten was trying to keep hold of her phone

ItsAllGoingToBeFine

It was mostly just what we talk about here. Although, it was curtailed, due to late starting and then being shut down because of the rabble outside.

Both Julia and Miranda, quite literally, had to talk at double speed. And they couldn't finish.

The entire room was a sea of mostly middle-aged women. With some younger women. One had turned up on her pushbike, another was wearing a tweed suit.

Jam and Jerusalem would not have looked out of place.

Contrast that with the thuggery at speakers' corner and the constant yelling of 'fuck off' and 'terfs hate - no debate' mantra.

I am incandescent with rage and outrage.

A woman was robbed of her camera and then beaten when she tried to defend herself.

The two young women who remained outside the venue whilst everyone dispersed had the light of mania in their eyes. I attempted to talk to them, I was told to fuck off several times. They were filled with hate. Young, well dressed, well spoken.

Miranda tried to talk to them too, as they were claiming sisterhood with transwomen. He said I'm a transwoman, he came in for the same treatment. (He goes by male pronouns, I'm not misgendering).

I completely agree with other people that this was deliberately organised with violence as the goal. The website calling to arms, has pre-printed pages on what to do if arrested. I think they would love to have been arrested, to be honest.

And, I can easily believe that there were some men, who knew nothing about the trans-ideology, but just wanted to beat up women.

This is a hate filled, misogynistic campaign. These men are not addressing or attacking the other men who are violent towards them. They hate women. Claiming feminists are responsible for the deaths of trans-women is as ludicrous as it is false.

But these men really don't need an excuse. All the fairytales in the world aren't necessary for them to justify their violence. It's an end in itself.

And yes, women too. Although I think the beating was more the men.

This is censorship and it's not even subtle.

Very angry that this happened and thanks for the posts and updates. Glad everyone is safe.

Don't get me wrong, I don't doubt that their punching her was 100% wrong, I'm just worried about it being misconstrued

*TRAs.

Fecks sake! My phone thinks I'm talking about teaching assistants!

Thanks Datun for posting the video and the link to the other thread. The footage is shocking.

I am not surprised that there were/are many women TAs. There is a certain naïveté and a compulsion to "do good" that gets in the way of fact or reason. MTF TAs plead hurt and violence against them and the soft left follows.

I've been waiting to see that video after hearing all about it on Facebook - it looks like the woman who was punched was holding onto one of the TRAs?? Was that to get her phone back? It's really confusing as the video looks like they were trying to get her off someone she was holding?

I went to the debate because i wanted to discuss the new legislation and hear a range of views. Very disappointed that didn't happen as the event was first cancelled and then cut short. I don't think it's in anyone's interest to close down discussion. And the violence and threats beforehand are obviously horrific.

This might sound stupid, but I'm really shocked at how many of the TRA protestors are women. Obviously ive seen it online before but seeing them and hearing their voices it just beggars belief.

Theaveragewife, I am confident that the women who witnessed this will make sure the police will get the video.

(Not to mention screenshots, witness statements, etc. This was organised violence and the Facebook posts provide ample evidence of that.)

I'm glad posters from here are ok.

What happened was terrible, and I hope the media pick it up but (sorry!) Were the speakers good? What did they talk about ? Any new stuff or just what we talk about amongst ourselves here?

Have the police been shown that video?

Here is the film of the attack. The woman in the red coat is the organiser of the event.

m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=o48Bb5CM9XE

Really pleased to hear you're ok Datun and others.
I've read that the majority of protesters were women (in the true sense of the word). If that's right I find that more depressing than the MTT protestors acting out the usual behaviours to try and silence women.

Glad you're Ok Datun. Sorry that what should have been an interesting debate with clever and thoughtful speakers was wrecked by intolerant idiots.

True colours have been shown by the TRAs all right, if we hadn't known it before, we know it now: they have no interest in debate, compromise, or furthering understanding. They just want us to STFU.

That's not going to happen.

See this thread for the statement by the woman who was beaten. It's posted by fair play for women, posted Thursday 3:30 AM.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/3033126-London-meeting-to-discuss-Gender-Identity-attacked-by-transactivists

www.feministcurrent.com/2015/10/05/a-thank-you-note-to-carceralsex-negative-feminists/

Carceral femenists are sometimes called sex-negative as they are not only TERFs but also SWERFs.

Or opposed to prostitution and the trafficking and sexual slavery it causes.