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Calling all London Spartaci!!!!

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CuntAmongstThePigeons · 11/09/2017 23:19

For anyone interested there is a debate about the new legislation and gender this Wednesday evening in South London

Miranda Yardley and the Julia Long are speakers. I will definitely be attending so hope to see a few of you there.

www.list.co.uk/event/20974934-what-is-the-meaning-of-gender-the-gender-recognition-act-and-beyond/

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BeyondNoone · 17/09/2017 21:19

Author is on twitter @martinfricker

BeyondNoone · 17/09/2017 20:59

Ignoring how awful it is for us - for them to use a blatant slur like that - it was such poor journalism it did make me smile Grin

StatisticallyChallenged · 17/09/2017 20:55

Agree re confusion, but hey it was being discussed on mainstream news - i'll take that even if they do mix their words up a bit.

QuentinSummers · 17/09/2017 20:50

Seen this? Apparently Maria is "a member of TERF" Grin
Journalistic standards are appalling, how hard is it to do some basic Google research
www.thesun.co.uk/news/4483858/moment-transgender-group-and-feminist-activists-clash-in-extraordinary-brawl-in-hyde-park-that-leaves-one-60-year-old-woman-on-the-floor/

ErrolTheDragon · 17/09/2017 19:41

This confusion between sex and gender is not helpful.

Nothing to add, I just wanted to put that in bold!
(OT, but does the MN profile page still have a binary option of 'gender' instead of sex.... ffs, a parenting site surely doesn't need to use a euphemism for sex. And if they actually mean gender then surely they need more options nowadays.....)

whoputthecatout · 17/09/2017 19:33

Saw the Sky news item. Indeed well done Christina Patterson and Matthew Syed .

However, I do wish people would say sex instead of gender when it is sex they are talking about. Matthew Syed referred to gender as a biological fact when what he meant was sex is a biological fact.

This confusion between sex and gender is not helpful.

StatisticallyChallenged · 17/09/2017 15:17

Nope not at all...they're making it impossible to discuss women's issues - sexism and misogyny are all about gender stereotypes but they get applied to us, whether we like it or not, because we're female.

I don't think trans people should face prejudice, but name your own prejudices and deal with them rather than trying to stop us fighting against the ones we face because in most cases they're not the bloody same.

BeyondNoone · 17/09/2017 15:16

Barren, wtf?! Who even says that now? 🙄

Badweekjustgotworse · 17/09/2017 15:14

'Barren' women? Umm, well that's not a misogynistic term in and of itself at all Hmm... let's just define women by their reproductive capacity shall we, like we're all fucking cows to be bred from Confused

StatisticallyChallenged · 17/09/2017 15:08

Yup, I'm apparently a TERF and excluding "barren women" from my feminism. We've rolled back to the 1800s too, clearly

AssignedPerfectAtBirth · 17/09/2017 14:59

Yes statistically thinking about it.

OMG they go ballistic when your talk about facts and evidence. Full on Rita

All this 'why would you want to make my friends unhappy?"

"You are a mean lady", "Bitter TERF",

Fucking fuckwits

StatisticallyChallenged · 17/09/2017 14:42

Did anyone see this from SkyNews?

Interesting to see this being discussed.

StatisticallyChallenged · 17/09/2017 14:19

Ironing your own hand would probably be less painful!

AssignedPerfectAtBirth · 17/09/2017 14:18

Yes I know but I am procrastinating about the housework. Actually ironing would be less painful than this shit.

StatisticallyChallenged · 17/09/2017 14:18

It's difficult to avoid going feminist theorist sometimes, but I agree it's important to speak plainly.

I'm currently being told that misogyny isn't a woman's issue because TW experience it too. They can't even name their own prejudices, they have to co-opt ours!

Rumandraisin1 · 17/09/2017 14:01

It also might be worth writing to the letters sections of the newspapers if these articles have appeared in the print versions of the newspapers?

Rumandraisin1 · 17/09/2017 13:59

Currently arguing with fuckheads who insist that male and female are not biological facts.

I think there's little point arguing with people who are that far into the ideology but there are lots of people who either have no idea about it or broadly think that it's an extension of LGB rights/being nice to oppressed trans people is a good thing and aren't yet aware of the full implications - so it's worth posting on the comments below the news paper articles (Sun, Metro, Mail etc) explaining in simple terms with examples e.g. male rapists with penises are being put in women's prisons, any man could claim to be a woman and get access to his ex-partner in a domestic abuse shelter. Most people don't care about feminist theory on gender but I hope that many will see that things like this are concerning.

OlennasWimple · 17/09/2017 13:53

Round of applause for Christina Patterson

AssignedPerfectAtBirth · 17/09/2017 13:47

Thank you Beyond I do try Wink

I need to get off twitter. Currently arguing with fuckheads who insist that male and female are not biological facts. My head is melting

busyboysmum · 17/09/2017 13:23

We could do with not confusing people. Link it to science people understand. All the Gender stuff no-one gets it you can see from the DM comments.

BeyondNoone · 17/09/2017 13:23

Thanks assigned! Drs didn't get in wrong in your case, eh? Wink

busyboysmum · 17/09/2017 13:22

Women for biology?

AssignedPerfectAtBirth · 17/09/2017 13:14

That Sky news clip Beyond

YetAnotherSpartacus · 17/09/2017 13:11

Gender crirical feminist. Gender critical women.

BeyondNoone · 17/09/2017 13:01

I think there is an "official" group in the process of being set up. I remember seeing it somewhere on Facebook, I think?

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