Pink News - you can't deadname a rapist

I'm not sure how that fits in with class analysis. Without class analysis of men and women, you can't identify women's oppression.

Exactly.

Given previous conversations - where you do nothing but aggressively gaslight anyone that disagrees with you - I don't actually care which of the two options it is. I've learned that engaging with you is pointless. You clearly don't share my concerns so let's leave it there. Ta ta

Haha. You clearly don't understand what "gaslight" means, do you? I'll give you a clue. It's what you are doing, not me. But don't worry everyone can see that. Tata

you're clever enough to work out that I'm hand-wring (sic) about the people that aren't rapists, but are being deliberately obtuse and partisan

I'm sorry do you not understand English? My sentence was basically "you do you". So you can drop the PA little "sic".

not using specific and extreme examples of individual behaviour to cast aspersions on a wider class.

I'm not sure how that fits in with class analysis. Without class analysis of men and women, you can't identify women's oppression.

Transwomen are men. They are of exactly the same class. Transwomen, as a subsection, claiming to be women, are more of a potential threat due to their access to women, on the basis of their identity. Like prisons.

In terms of AGP, you agree with granting men who have sexual fetish for the humiliation of women, access to women, on the basis of their rights?

Jeezo, really? This is a good situation?

They'll only start caring about it once this wiping of criminal records gets a man killed.

Then, perhaps, they'll reconsider.

And I bet they'll blame feminism.

Point about AGP.

Talking to cross dressing men who openly talk about experiencing it, should be enough to prove it exists. But no, transactivists are saying these men don't understand their own fetish, they are wrong and are on the path to full transition.

That's not only incorrect, it is patronising.

Who has the right to say that no-one has that particular fetish?

Ereshkigal

Either:

• you're clever enough to work out that I'm hand-wring (sic) about the people that aren't rapists, but are being deliberately obtuse and partisan

Or

• you aren't clever enough.

Given previous conversations - where you do nothing but aggressively gaslight anyone that disagrees with you - I don't actually care which of the two options it is. I've learned that engaging with you is pointless. You clearly don't share my concerns so let's leave it there. Ta ta.

Even if it did mean surgery, it shouldn't mean that your violent sexual crimes are wiped from history.

I took WickedLazy's comment to mean violent offenders transitioning to get into womens prisons. They get their crimes removed from the public record.

Good point made on twitter, which we need to make again and again until folk listen.

The concept of "Deadnaming" will protect convicts from the consequences of their crimes. What about the sex offenders list? What about Claire's law? So transitioning, and again to repeat until folk listen, this does not mean surgery or pills or even a change of clothes, just a statement that you feel this way, Makes you are a "new" person and off the list.

Jeezo, really? This is a good situation?

Fine then. You handwring about the rights of rapists and others will attempt to stop transactivists from destroying women's rights. It's all good.

"Trans activists raised issues with the piece, suggesting it was attempting to link the convicted prisoner’s crimes to their gender identity – leaning on the irrational belief that transgender people are actually lying to gain some sort of benefit. The implication is then transgender people are more likely to be rapists – though the reverse is actually true."

WickedLazy "Why can the rest of the civilised world, not see these wolves in sheeps' clothing for what they are?"

Wolves in sheep's clothing...

I don't know; it's an education coming in this forum. My whole understanding of post war progressive liberal morality (or however you'd like to refer to it) was based on the idea of not dehumanising groups of people, on not using specific and extreme examples of individual behaviour to cast aspersions on a wider class.

Maybe post-Brexit and post-Trump, I'm very sensitive to these things. Maybe I'm overly-worried about divisions in society and hatred. But, I just can't believe that people can gather together on a forum - that is dedicated to rights!!! - and blithely start using phrases like 'wolves in sheep's clothing'. ... and please don't anyone defend this by saying that the person in question IS a wolf in sheep's clothing. The difference between the singular and the plural is bloody obvious.

Yeah, so sorry WickedLazy but I don't think I can include you with what I know as the civilised world.

Statistically transmen are slightly more likely to commit violent crime. Possibly as a result of testosterone. Or maybe aggression forms some part of their transition in the first place. I don't think the study drew any further conclusions other than the fact.

Transmen are much more keen on getting male privilege than transwomen are on losing it, so of course transmen display masculine behaviour at much higher rates than transwomen abstain from displaying it.

And aggression is very masculine.

Could be the testosterone, but considering how apeshit crazy and violent some female non-binaries (who I assume don't take testosterone) are, I think it is mostly psychological factors.

Even reputable papers are reporting "Man gives birth". No they didn't. It was a woman.

Headline - "genetic male has big achievement"Vs - "genetic female has child"

Funny how transition doesn't change anything at all in how the person is treated according to their biological sex.

Except that males are given access to women's intimate spaces, that is.

But everyone still very much knows that transwomen are male, and treat them like that.

Miranda Yardley is one of the few transwomen who are actually somewhat competent at behaving like women, and lo and behold, the genderists treat Yardley like crap.

Not only are most of the prominent transwomen who are worshipped by the transwacktivists and libfem allies male, they are also very masculine.
Male violence against women may have a genetic component, but we know for sure that men are socialised to approve of it, too. They are socialised to think themselves superior to women, to feel entitled to access women's bodies all the time, everywhere. The thing we call "toxic masculinity" - patriarchy-approved transwomen have it in spades.

BeyondLimitsAndWhatever

Statistically transmen are slightly more likely to commit violent crime. Possibly as a result of testosterone. Or maybe aggression forms some part of their transition in the first place. I don't think the study drew any further conclusions other than the fact.

But still, no-where, to that of males.

But I don't know of any famous transmen. Apart from Buck Angel. Who is always trotted out by transactivists asking whether women are happy for him to be in their space, because he looks so male and butch.

So, still being judged by his looks!

I think she went to a women's prison as she didn't identify as male.
I believe she was only 'male' to have sex with the woman. Very odd case.

I can't find her by googling as all of the "woman rapes" headlines that come up are mtt

I don't remember seeing any headlines of transmen committing crimes. Oh apart from that one woman who pretended to be male and "raped"/assaulted a woman who was blindfolded and thought she was a man. Did she go into the male or female estate, I can't remember?

And, of course transwoman are really good at telling women how to do feminism (by centering men) and being convicted of crimes usually associated with men, but now, shockingly, by women.

And winning at sport.

You are confusing your personally selected porn with documentary!

Nice try, GF. Now bog off.

Quite stark when you think about it in that way though, isn't it?

Headline - "genetic male has big achievement"
Vs - "genetic female has child"

"Transwomen are feted for their bravery, glamour, being the first 'woman' to make the Fortune 500 (or whatever rich list it was), to direct a trilogy, fight on the front line, be Woman of the Year."

"Transmen are only ever famous for being the first 'man' to give birth."

Weirdly I had never put that together in my head. Not really a surprise though, is it.

The reason why transmen don't face anywhere near the same controversy, is because they are no threat to men and they aren't fetishists.

Transwomen are feted for their bravery, glamour, being the first 'woman' to make the Fortune 500 (or whatever rich list it was), to direct a trilogy, fight on the front line, be Woman of the Year.

Transmen are only ever famous for being the first 'man' to give birth.

Funny that.