Why are feminists so aggressive?

Oh FFS. "Abuse" gets hurled at every celebrity who does or says anything on every bloody forum and BTL comment section in the land. Nothing to do with feminism. It's what keeps the gossip industry grinding on.

For an example of aggressiveness, just look at the Sam Smith pronoun thread. The amount of abuse being hurled at him is unreal.

He's not even saying he identifies as a woman or wants to be called she, just that he identifies as neither.

Mine was on a dr who thread

Ive also fucked up a few times and the regulars on here are very forgiving

Unlike aibu where I’d have to name change out of embarrassment

If i was the op of the current fish finger thread I’d have name changed and be slagging myself off as a cover!

Everyone, no exceptions and including me, gets their arse handed to them at some point on FWR.

I rather think this is a good thing.

I would just say that it's worth bearing in mind that not all discussions need to be adversarial, some times people who disagree with you may have valid points and not everyone that consistently challenges your view point is acting in bad faith.

Not all discussions on here are adversarial. And sometimes there may be a harsh post or two among mostly reasonable discussion ... FWR is not a hive mind.

Though there's often limited patience when someone posts - maybe innocently, maybe not, it's hard to tell - on some point which has been done to death.

What Grapefruits just said.

Leaving personal experience aside, when women read about feminism and come across the quite terrible way that some men behave towards them, aggression is an entirely rational reaction. In fact, if you're not raging, you're not getting it.

I have a reasonable vocabulary, but am regularly frustrated by a dearth of words to describe the same things, disgust, abhorrence, shock, etc.

Dancing on Magdalen Berns' grave for instance. There aren't enough words to convey one's reaction. Impotence and frustration is expressed through anger. It's entirely normal.

Frankly, the women of FWR show extraordinary restraint, given why they are even here.

Look what I was trying to say, and I thought it was a current thread not a zombie is that I am in agreement with about 90% of what gets said on this board.

However having once posted in disagreement to regular posters (for whom I had developed a kind of affectionate respect whilst lurking) my eyes were opened as why people might have a more negative perception. And how not speaking up might come more from a point of exhaustion than agreement.

It has also made me more cautious (a good thing) about believing what I read on the internet. At a certain point in the discussion I was ridiculed for my ignorance about the role of the court appointed solicitor in the court of protection then discovered from reading the appeal judges notes later on that I had been correct.

Obviously I am not changing my mind about women's rights because of any of this.

I would just say that it's worth bearing in mind that not all discussions need to be adversarial, some times people who disagree with you may have valid points and not everyone that consistently challenges your view point is acting in bad faith.

No the deleted post was barely anything at all, just pithy and anti women, but it was by someone posting for the first time and they’ve succeeded in getting this thread going again. So probably best to let my post be the last one.

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit but the highest form of intelligence

Though if Mr Wilde was correct then it was probably just nasty

YY Rufus

I always laugh seeing posts on AIBU saying that FWR is too mean.

And BeMoreMagdalen has a very good point [nods sagely]

This post used to be longer but it was far too sarcastic, even for me.

wonder what the deleted post which resuscitated this thread was

One assumes it was nasty...maybe even sarcastic

Because we're done with being 'nice'. Being 'kind'.

Because we're done with shove up, put up and shut up.

Because we say 'no'.

I wonder what the deleted post which resuscitated this thread was, and why...

Of all the things I am become bone tired of over my rather long life it is this one, of puzzling over why women persist in acting like people, that is on my last nerve.

Tch, tch , heaven forfend some of us sometimes get a tad sarcastic about this.

I wonder what the ratio of internet posts is between feminists (not women in general) actually displaying hatred of men versus feminists being accused of hating men?

ut I do think there is a tendency on this board to be sarcastic and nasty to people

AIBU and brexit

Anyone who thinks that people aren’t nasty or sarcastic on other boards ...isn’t looking at other boards

We're just not civil enough. I hear that can get you into trouble round these parts.

Still, it's nice that some people are getting to grips with the concept of class analysis. If sarcasm being a prevailing tone on FWR means you can assess that all feminists are aggressive, then surely it's not that big a leap to deal with the idea that if men are responsible for a large percentage of violence in the world and especially towards women, we should view the class 'men' with some caution.

Let me know how you get on with the thought process, if you can get over me employing sarcasm to make my point.

Of all the things I am become bone tired of over my rather long life it is this one, of puzzling over why women persist in acting like people, that is on my last nerve.

Sorry I mean Grapefruit not FWLurker!!!

Of course mumsnet sarcasm isn't the same as death or rape threats. But why is the sarcasm etc necessary? I'm with Goosefoot and FWLurker on this one. It is possible to be respectful, which most posters are, and get your point across.

Why doesn't anyone ever tell men to be nice?

Turned me right off feminism.

I’ve heard women (and men) day this before and it puzzles me. It parses as, “I thought I was a feminist, but I think feminists were mean to me, so I’ve gone off the whole idea of rights and opportunities for women”.

Not, “I decided not to hang with that particular group of feminists and pursue feminist activism in other places”, but, “No more feminism for me, they’re so mean.”?

Like, carry on with your systemic oppression of women based on control of their biology, menz, those women are too aggressive to deserve personhood?

It’s almost as if you weren’t really committed to the idea of women as fully human in the first place.

Oh, ffs, Goosefoot!
You cannot be serious?!

Mumsnet sarcasm is just as bad as AWA/TRA/MRA rape and death threats?!

Please have a think about that one!

We)(the posters) don't generally issue death threats, rape threats, use slurs, post sexist memes and the various other things that posters generally complain about elsewhere

Not really a high bar. "We are ok here because we don't actually threaten to kill you."

If people wonder why there is a reputation of MN feminists as being aggressive, that's the answer, because pretty regularly they treat people poorly.

Mumsnet certainly loves cake and gin

Thanks for that.

So I scrolled past a number of "mumsnet hate men" links before hitting your list of topics.

They seem to be mostly posts made on relationships so not us men haters in FWR.

One of the posts that does appear in FWR seems to have been made by quite a traumatised woman seeking help and has a lot of responses on trying to help the woman not to hate all men.

I couldn't find the last few posts as the search then branched out into father's 4 justice and other things.

However great news, mumsnet loves sausages far more than it hates men, pages of links before the search diverges.